SubscribeSeven Secrets of Military Drug Testing
The military uses urinalysis drug testing to ensure that soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen aren’t under the influence of illegal drugs.There’s quite a bit of mystery surrounding the drug testing process. In this article, we take a look at seven secrets of military drug tests.
1. Different drugs stay in your system for different lengths of time
Many people believe that drugs stay in your system for weeks. This simply isn’t true. The table below shows the certified drug detection windows (the length of time the drug stays in your system) for military testing equipment:
| Drug | Detection Window |
|---|---|
| THC (Marijuana) | 3-5 days |
| Cocaine | 2-4 days |
| Amphetamines, Methamphetamines, Ecstasy | 3 days |
| Barbituates | 1-2 days |
| Opiates | 1-2 days |
| PCP | 5-7 days |
| LSD | 1-2 days |
| Steroids | 3+ days |
2. Military drug tests use thresholds
You won’t get booted out of the military because you walked past someone in the dorm smoking a joint. The military testing labs use thresholds to rule out accidental exposure and testing errors. The standards used by the military are:
| Drug | Screening Threshold (ng/ml) | Confirmation Threshold (ng/ml) |
|---|---|---|
| THC (marijuana) | 50 | 15 |
| Cocaine | 150 | 100 |
| Morphine | 2000 | 4000 |
| Codeine | 2000 | 2000 |
| Heroin | 300 | 10 |
| Amphetamines, Methamphetamines, Ecstasy | 500 | 500 |
| Barbituates | 200 | 200 |
| PCP | 25 | 25 |
| LSD | 0.5 | 0.2 |
3. Samples are tested, retested and tested again
The drug testing lab first performs a preliminary screening test on all samples using an Olympus AU-800 Automated Chemistry Analyzer. All negative specimens are discarded after this round. Any urine sample that shows a positive indication of drug use is retested using the same equipment. If that sample also provides a positive result, the lab uses gas chromatography to identify the specific drug in the urine sample. The lab reports a positive result only if all three samples test positive.
What does all that mean? Basically, there’s little chance they’re going to make a mistake.
4. Drug test results aren’t really final
The military drug testing system is designed to be equitable and ensure drug abusers are brought to justice. However, that sometimes doesn’t happen. Several stories in recent years uncovered questionable recruiting practices including the use of “prescreening” exams by recruiters to ensure recruits are completely clean before passing them on for their official test.
5. The commander has a lot of discretion
Quite a bit of detail about the drug testing program is at the unit commander’s discretion. Basically, the commander can direct that any servicemember submit to a drug test at any time, for any reason. DOD regulations require commanders to test at least 10% of their unit every month and conduct at least one annual sweep of the entire unit.
6. Steroid testing isn’t automatic
Contrary to popular belief, the military does not routinely test for steroids. Why? It’s too expensive. Commanders may only order steroid tests under special circumstances and must obtain prior permission. Samples requiring steroid testing bypass the normal military testing system and get shipped to the sports testing lab at UCLA for analysis.
7. Drug testing in the military is humiliating
When you give your sample, you must be directly observed by an NCO or warrant officer of your same gender. Don’t think that sounds so bad? The training manual for observers states that they “must watch the urine leave the body and enter the bottle”. Here’s one soldier’s experience with the process.
February 11th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
I think your wrong about the length of time the drugs stay in your system. I know THC stays in your system alot longer then 3-5 days depending on how much you smoke and how fat you are.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:47 am
I have to take the test next month before leaving for basic. By that time it will have been about 3 weeks since I last smoked weed. I’m about 200 lbs. What chance do I have? Any suggestions on what I could do to clean up my piss in the meantime?
April 1st, 2009 at 3:42 am
so the army doesnt test for steroids unless they request to.
May 27th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
what kind of steroids do they test for?
September 25th, 2009 at 4:11 am
the military is a shitty job, you dont want to get into this mess. i would keep smoking and enjoy life rather than waste 4 years in the military.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:15 am
if i dont take xanax on a regular basis like for the past 2 days and i leavefor bc in 6 days should i be worried and are those sheets corret above
October 27th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
bc as in bootcamp for the united states marines crops and i have a piss test to take in about a week away i hear from many different people that they dont test for xanax but other ppl tell me that it can be tested for up request
January 2nd, 2010 at 4:48 am
I tested clean during basic after 12 days off pot.
January 16th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
So it has been a month since a puff and I am taking a ABMC test kit. 5 Panel, 4 are strong lines and one is a light line, should I have a concern. I do MEPS next Weds. I have read that a light line is pass no matter what. jeez, I should never have done that shit.
January 23rd, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Will the leagal spice drug show on the ua?
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:28 pm
No, they don’t drug test for legal spices, you fucking retard.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Hahaha spices? What the hell…anyway, those of you who feel dedicated to serve your country for whatever reason, please remember if you feel the need to take a drug like xanax (drug for nervousness and tension) then there is no reason for you to join the military cause its gonna be stressful and you little girls won’t have mommy there to give you your medicine!!
March 7th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
humiliating? just from pissing in front of someone? i think if you’re in the military and you’ve gone through basic then your threshold for what is humiliating is greater than having an issue with pissing in front of someone. the part i hate is that you have to carry the urine sample above your head from the bathroom back to the turn-in point and, if i didn’t drink a lot of water that day, and my piss is yellow and everyone can see it…that’s kind of embarrassing. BUT FUCK IT!
March 18th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
just fyi, im active duty and work in the hospital; starting in febuary they came out with a newer test and the drug “spice” does show up in it. soo good luck listening to “smartass” who by the way obviously isnt in the service.
March 29th, 2010 at 2:41 am
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March 31st, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Comment for dumby.
What branch are you in. Im in the army is there a Policy Change documents somewhere were I can have proof of the new test? I have heard both they are about to start and that it isnt true. I just want to see it on paper for my self. Thanks
April 11th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
No test for spice but better expect one in the next year. It’s top priority in the military, my dads actually a commander in norfolk and he’s been working hard against it actually but he said it’s going to happen in the next year if not 6 months.
April 15th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
I was prescribed 5mg Valium to help with my insomnia. I don’t “NEED” the meds, but they help tremendously, especially since I’m used to working a wonky schedule.
Would this be a problem if my doctor would write a letter explaining my reasons for the meds, or should I just completely stop? Again, they help TREMENDOUSLY with my insomnia problems, but I love this country, and I feel that as a free citizen, I owe it to my country to serve.
Thanks.
April 15th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
You guys would be wise to listen to dummy. 1.) any drug can be tested for once a metabolite is identified. 2.) I am a officer and just received a brief on this very subject today. They do have a test for this drug, it just isnt widespread as of yet. They cant submit a sample to be tested. NCIS has been testing samples for it. SMARTASS should change his name to dumbass
April 18th, 2010 at 7:39 am
well subdude i know that if they are testing for it it would be listed on the drugs the military test for and i havent heard or seen anywhere where they are testing for spice. i’ve searched the internet and not found one airmen, marine, sailior, or soldier that has popped hot on a UA screening for spice. the only people that have gotin caught with it are people that have been caught in the act of smoking it or someone telling on them. theres got to be a policy letter somewhere some proof if they are testing for it, a air force reg, army reg, something, i want to see proof.
April 19th, 2010 at 12:57 am
will somebody please let me know if spice stays in your system, and if so, how long?
April 20th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
For all those worried about testing positive for THC check this out:
If you smoked weed recently and don’t want to pop here is your guide (I learned this from my hippie dad and have proven it three different times)…you’re going to need 2 days minimum, so let’s hope your test isn’t tomorrow. Go to a supermarket and grab a bottle of cranberry juice and a jug of water, you’re also going to need the key ingredient found in the vitamin section, it’s called GOLDEN SEAL, and it absolutely fucking works. For those of you who have tried bleach or niacin STOP, you’re going to fuck your shit up. GoldenSeal recommends 1 a day for immune system benefits, but you’re going to want to take 2 every couple of hours (don’t freak out because the beauty of this herb is that it’s just that, an herb…so if you take to much you just have herbs in your shit, it won’t hurt you). What goldenseal does is turn fat stored THC into water soluble THC, so you’ll piss it out (you can look that up if you want). now since you’ve got dissolved THC in your system you have to flush it, so grab a jug of water and drink as much as your body can take until your test *3 gallons at once will probably kill you so take it easy*
On test day make sure take the morning piss before you go in, even though they say not to. and make sure that when you are ready to fill the cup that it’s nice and clear.
I passed both at MEPS and at Great Lakes, both were 3 days after last smoking. Of course body fat is an issue, so this could vary a little from person to person
April 21st, 2010 at 2:52 pm
I am in the marines and got drunk and smoke some spice called serinity now. I have a drug test in 9 days and im shitting bricks about it. What i need to know is does spice show up and how do you know it does + how long it stays in your system? i dont wanna hear any opinions on the matter i need straight fact. thank you
April 21st, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Serenity now and pep spice are not considered illegal under federal or state law. There not going to discharge a marine for smoking a mixture of ground up flower pedals and roots that happen to produce euphoric sensations. Its considered a ensence. No test exist to test for pep spice or serenity now. no company is going to waste money on figuring out a way to test for something thats not illegal and something thats just flowers roots and such.. these people are idiots
April 23rd, 2010 at 7:38 pm
YO THEY ARE KIKIN OUT A MARINE IN MY UNIT FOR SPICE. HE JUST GOT NJP’D TODAY APRIL 23 AND IS NOW A PRIVATE FROM LCPL. THEY CAN TEST FOR SPICE BUT THE co HAS TO REQUEST IT. IT IS LIKE STEROIDS . THER IS A SPECIAL TEST. ALSO THERE ARE 2 MARINES AT MCAS MIRAMAR THAT POPPED FOR SPICE DUE TO THE SAME REASON. FUCKED UP RIGHT. IM WAITING FOR MY RESULTS TO COME BACK NOW IM HOPING THE OPIATES ARE OUTTA MY SYSTEM. WE WILL SEE.
April 24th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
i have been tested 2 times while smoking spice the night and even the day of and have not been tested positive…knock on wood. but still..
April 30th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
well i took a pee test 16 days ago and havent heard nothing yet both me and a buddy smoked the same day and that was about 7 days before ill keep updating every week, and also they were checking for it because a bunch of people in the battlion got caught with it, but not on a pee test they were caught in the act of smoking it, so we will see if it shows or not.
April 30th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
how long does it take to get the results of a military drug test?
April 30th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Alot of you think you’re really tough posting your big tyme comments on here about how someone made a mistake..because bottom fucking line, you will all make mistakes regatrdless if you have ever made one yet. Maybe you’ll snap one day and hit someone close to you and then you come back on here and tell me that wasn’t as punishable as smoking weed, now i’m being a smart ass because all of ur reytarded and demoralizing responses to a simple question.. To answer the first post, military equipment is strong enough to only detect thc usage from 3- 5 days out..that doesn’t mean its still not in ur system reyyyytard
April 30th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
how long does it take to get the results of a military drug test!!?
May 1st, 2010 at 3:06 am
@passing a drug test (THC)
you just relieved a whole lot of my stress, thank you! i leave for great lakes on tuesday and i havent smoked in 2 weeks (4-20). and i will do what you said. PRAY FOR ME
May 6th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
YES THEY CAN TEST FOR SPICE IN THE MC. NOT SURE HOW LONG IT STAYS IN YOUR SYSTEM BUT I SMOKED LAST NIGHT AND THEY ARE TESTING US TODAY. I’M PRETTY SURE THEY ARE TESTING FOR SPICE BECAUSE THIS IS A RANDOM TEST. I WILL LET EVERYONE KNOW THE RESULTS. BUT THIS SCARE IS ENOUGH FOR ME AND HOPEFULLY IT DOESN’T SHOW UP I WILL NOT SMOKE SPICE ANYMORE.
May 11th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Yes they Drug Test! If ur in the miltary it shouldnt be embarrassing suck it up & get over it ur serving ur country im In the Navy & i will never regret it & those of your dissing the service you prolly wouldnt be alive if it werent for us !!!!!!!
May 11th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Ahhhh.. Spice.. I want to start by saying this, if they are positivly testing for spice and all of its synthetic components then 50% of our military will be discharged. Its too available and we can afford it. Honestly spice is todays new generation of high and MOST people that have smoked weed in the past has or will try spice now. If its tested for right now were fucked, and so far no one has been fucked.
May 12th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
To answer the question swiftly, we can now test for Spice, and it is Illegal in all 4 military service branches now. The Army followed suit as the last branch to ban it and test for it. It became illegal in Jan2010 IAW AR 600-85 Para 4, Section 26. The new AR hasn’t been printed yet, but it has been updated. I am a UPL (unit prevention leader) for my unit and received the “SPICE” brief last month. Spice is one of the 5 random tests that are used on a rotational base. Your commander can request it if He/She or your supervisor suspects that you have been using it. Additionally we already have a Joe who has been busted for spice and is going through JAG now. The metabolites that are being looked for are JWH 018 and HU-210. Right now the Hawaiian CO’s are putting together a joint policy letter to address spice use. We don’t know how long the drug stays in people’s system yet, but it should serve as an equal to THC (I.E. body size, fat, day to day use, and how long you’ve been using it.)
May 15th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
WOW.. I served from 1984 to 1988 in the Air Force and smoked weed before enlisting and smoked after seperating, but not while I was on active duty. I am a professional fire fighter (Captain) now and some of my crew smoke spice, and none of them have tested positive. We go by DOT standards, not sure of military testing. SGT UPL seems like a knowledgable individual (military policies), all I know is that each state has to pass it into law that spice is illegal. My state has tried but it didn’t make it off the floor. Kentucky is one of the few states that has made it illegal, so if you drive thru their state get rid of it, or expect to be arrested. Maybe you all should do as I do, “just say no” to any mind altering drug. Beer is 100% legal, so, drink up and thanks for protecting our country.
May 19th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Everyone saying that spice is legal may be correct in stating that , however, military and civilian laws are different. Being in the military is a privilege, and honor . I guess what I’m trying to say is that things you do in you everyday life may not be acceptable in the military. I have a friend in the Corps who just got NJPED for HAVING A SPICE WRAPPER IN HIS POCKET. They are strict about it .
May 20th, 2010 at 10:22 am
thc is in your system for 30-40 days unless the test being conducted is a cotton saliva swab test, in which case it is detectable 4-5 days but seeing as how they will be doing urinalysis they will be able to test back a lot further.
May 20th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
So say I took a piss test 2 days before I eas and Smoked spice 3 days prior. What happens? I keep my HONERABLE DIS. Or they call me back? I’ll just get a lawyer if they call me.
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:28 pm
I am a chief in the navy and had one of my young sailors crash his truck last night because he was smoking spice and could no longer feel his legs and stop the vehicle. We took urine samples and requested the test for spice. He and the other person in the vehicle are both being charged with UCMJ article 92 (failure to obey and order). They both admitted to smoking spice and will be administratively discharged
May 29th, 2010 at 5:56 am
ok guys this is my take on the whole spice thing….can they test for it no not at the moment but they are working very hard on approving a test (which do exist prior to whatever your friends are telling you) i can tell you from personal experience that i just watched my c.o shitcan 7 people behind this spice bullshit and he masted 18 more and a test was not given to any of these people. ncis did an investigation on the people and just off of statements alone our junior sailor of the year got kicked out now if you heed my warning or not its up to u i personally dont give a shit but if u think that youre gonna get away forever with that youre absoultely wrong and yes i am on active duty on a fast attack sub and chief is right they wont get you on article 134 (drugs) theyre gonna pop u with a article 92 failure to obey a lawful order i forgot the document but it came out in 05 stating that anything that causes a high or a stupfercation is illegal
June 2nd, 2010 at 7:54 pm
i was just snitched on for smoking spice. i see my commander very soon and im pretty nervous about it. im not going to lie to his face about the fact that i did smoke it because the last time i smoked it was the day we got briefed about not smoking it. im almost brand new to the air force and had no idea it was illegal. anyways just wondering if there were anymore situations out there similar to mine. if so what was the punishment?????
June 2nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
As stated above, art 92 admin sep, they will give you the whole “ignorance is no excuse” thingy-ma-jigger. That is, if you admit to it, which would probably be the dumbest fucking thing you could do. There are different blends of spice and and different chemical compounds, hence the various choices we have at the head shop. Id keep my mouth locked up, and just see if they can pop you on the piss. If they cant prove it, then it didn’t happen. None of you military bubbas say “perception is reality” in this case. Maybe for EMI or DRB, but not NJP or Mast, or whatever the hell it is that your chosen branch. Don’t you love American law?
I’m an AD FMF Corpsman, and I still haven’t seen any written evidence of testing or anyone popping for spice. Is there a command UA coordinator out there that has some memo or something that identify what “SGT UPL” is talking about a little earlier. Thanks.
-Doc
June 2nd, 2010 at 10:10 pm
damn thats shitty. if there was only one or two snitches id just deny all day. but the 7 people who did get busted while i was deployed told the investigators who they smoked with and my name was brought up 5 of the 7 saying i smoked with them because they cant keep their mouths shut. thanks for the insight though
June 7th, 2010 at 8:56 am
i just recieved my punishment and it was just an LOR and the possiblity of being on a control roster. SHIIITT id take that any day over getting the boot. got out of that real EASILY.
June 7th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Any idea of what the general policy or consensus is on taking something legally prescribed well after the date it was needed?
For instance, I had a 30 day prescription of Ambien, as well as leftover Vicodin from my wisdom tooth extraction. It’s been roughly half a year later, and I still take one or the other occasionally. I’m a Coastie, so we pretty much follow the Navy’s rules on urinalysis.
June 9th, 2010 at 6:59 am
Has anyone heard of anyone in the military actually pop on a piss test for “spice”? I’ve heard all kinds of rumors, but yet anyone that has actually personally known someone..and not just someone who got in trouble because he got caught or admitted to doing smoking it.
June 13th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
@ Pushing it: If you pop hot for Vicodin on your UA, and your prescription has expired, you will be processed as though you took the drug illegally, because you did… the military stipulates that prescription medication is to be used by the person for whom it was prescribed and only for the allotted time period indicated.
As for “Spice” blends, JWH-018 and UH-210 are water soluble metabolites, and therefore remain in your system for a period of 18-48 hours depending on your level of hydration and body mass (not Body Fat Index).
June 14th, 2010 at 11:12 am
correction: HU-210
June 14th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Do note, however, that there are several synthetic cannabinoids available which have no local, state or federal restrictions for either civilians and DoD persons. Also, there are far more potent variations which bind to the Cannabinoid receptors in your brain (CB1 and CB2) in various ways, making each unique in it’s effects:
JWH-081 – think indica; a heavy body stone with intact mental capacity.
JWH-250 – think sativa; a soaring high throughout body and mind, a bit of a trip.
CP 55,244 – 500x more potent than THC… good luck finding this; only published vendor is a pharm in China
June 17th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
okay on april 22nd i went to captains mast for the suspicion of doing “spice”. i was accused of it and there was no evidence at all to show ive commited this offense. 1 statement led me to mast but then 2 other witnesses whos stories did not fully match stated i did it with them so a total of 3 accusers. i pleaded not guilty but my tyrant CO found me guilty with an article 92 and recomended for admin seperation with an OTH. now being my whole upper chain supported me, im a good sailor and i truly did not do this and i have never been in any trouble, can the navy admin board seriously give me the boot with an OTH for accusations. plus a week after the mast they had the entire command sign a page 13 notifying us that “spice” of any sort is illegal. and we even did training on it. all after this allegedly took place. anyone have any advice, comments, speculations, understandings?
June 18th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Ben carrs-
Yeah they will boot you with an OTH if your CO is trying to do it. I seriously reccomend you request a court martial. Request a civilian lawyerwho specialized in military cases. It will be a huge headache for them and your case will get swept under the rug.
The reason they had everyone sign the page 13 was to cover their ass in case this happens again because they know they don’t have much. How could you have failed to obey an order when no order had been given yet.
June 18th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
The Ex is correct, persue outside legal counsel, they have no case.
June 19th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
my daughter is in the navy. she just turned 21 and she is recently married to another navy personnel. she had her wisdom teeth extracted in Feb 2010. She was prescribed pain meds and did not take all of them. The prescription was not refillable. It had 16 total. She had an IUD implanted and has had sever cramping. She attempted to get help from the doctors and was told to take naproxen. this is just another Ibuprofen tablet. her pain in her lower extremities equaled someone dilating 3cm and in full labor! Here is the situation: She is pulled to take her routine urinalysis and she writes down on the paperwork she has taken this pain med for her IUD pain. She fails the test. They currently have her in 45 day restriction. What does she need to do? What can we do, her parents, here in georgia. what can her husband do? she has made the statement they are going to kick her out. seriously? she has been a model member for 2 1/2 years and now they can do that? I would think you tell your doctor you took the meds and they write it down in your file and you are done. help.
June 22nd, 2010 at 12:39 am
im in the air force currently. they will kick you out for any mind altering substance. or substance abuse. i talked to a wing commander and he said even if you are huffing paint, thats substance abuse. paint is legal, huffing is not. i forgot to mention that alchohol is the exception. as long as your of age
June 23rd, 2010 at 4:24 am
Jst took the piss test where they check for solid lines…it was negative….but there sending two samples to a lab for testeng…what are the chances of testing positive for this test
June 30th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
dude, does it show up or not? i took a test like a month ago, and smoked spice up all night the night before and nada. latest news please somebody
July 1st, 2010 at 11:03 pm
well im in the marines right now , and spice is a real problem in pensacola , just last week we were told they came up witha way of testing spice, im not sure if its true or theyre just trying to fuck with us , but i wouldnt fucking risk my career for that shit , why dont you try shrooms instead ?
July 3rd, 2010 at 8:01 pm
cant get any. in So Cal.
July 3rd, 2010 at 8:03 pm
i dont get it. i have seen so many people get so fuckin stupid with beer and vodka, but if we smoke a joint, they want to lock us up, i have never seen anyone high gettin in fights and trying to do ridicoulous shit.
July 5th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
You’re all F&CKING morons, each one of you that pop hot and get tossed deserve it. F&cking junkies smoking ground up flowers. Seriously grow the F up and put the pipe down or get out. Yes spice salvia salivia and all this other lame shit u fags are puffing on is illegal in all branches and yes they are testing for it. Ill bet 90% of these dumbasses that are afraid of popping are e-4 and below
way to live up to the hype guys
July 5th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
To Idiots….
You sound like a very bitter guy.
calling them fags for smoking? So if I find drinking dumb I have the right to yell at you for the same reason? No because the only reason weeb is illegal anyways is because of the military. It’s the safest drug on this earth as noone has ever died from OD’ng on weed. It relaxes you and should be made legal since I can go drink and kill myself slowly and maybe someone else if I drive. Chill out seriously because a lot more NCO’s smoke then you obviously know.
July 6th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
And I’m sure you were never e-4 or below”idiots” way to live up to your rank you power hungry pussy. Just stay clean people then you wouldn’t have to worry bout stupid shit like this. Easier said than done.. I’ve never heard of a “spice” test, but why risk it!!
July 9th, 2010 at 2:29 am
i bet you were the fag in high school that got picked on growing up wernt you. now that you joined the military and ranked up you feel all bad ass and powerful. newsflash faggot, your’re still the lame cunt you were in high school. i have never actually heard or have someone else personally know anyone to test positive for spice, i did hear recently though the air force put out a memo saying yes they were testing for it now. but again never have personally heard of someone i know testing positive, and i would have because EVERYONE does it.
July 14th, 2010 at 7:07 am
if u had a medical marijuana card in california but didnt renew it and could pass a drug test, would u be accepted?
July 14th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Mominga, usually, with prescriptions given out in medical, their is no technical date to stop use, other then the urinalysis PO’s suggested no more then eight months. Having said that, if when question, she repliedsaying she used those pills for anything other then what they were originally prescribed to be used for, then Big Navy will find her at fault because of how the instruction is written.
@idiots- are you serving for a paycheck, or for the people of this country? Last time I checked, I spend 24/7, 365 as an active duty service member so that these ppl can voice their opinion, and make whatever life choices they choose, whether I agree with their ways or not.
@wootz, do not disclose shit to them about drugs. Just get clean well before you go in, and don’t fuck it up once you push through basic.
July 15th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
idiots you are a stupid you have never smoked weed and thats why you dont know. your just just a homo that trust every the government puts in your hand so judge when you dont know fagit!!!
July 21st, 2010 at 11:23 pm
I am active duty and smoke spice almost everday (never at work) and have never popped on a ua. There is NO TEST YET for synthetic cannibinoids however HU-210 ‘may’ lead to false positives due to similar structural analogs to THC but jwh-018, 250, 75 will not. Even if a test does come out for say 018 it will only test for that certain metabolite and a seperate test would be required for 250 or any other variation of jwh. I recommend buying from emeraldspice.net if u want a clean product with no chance of HU-210 because if u do some research the actual “spice” brand has been proven to contain hu210 which may have led to people testing positive.
July 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm
there is a drug test for spice but it just came out as of june of 2010. ANd its ran by a private company. it only stays in your urin for 72 hours. ANd is ver expensive to test for. Im in the military and have yet to test hott for spice
July 23rd, 2010 at 6:03 am
people who don’t smoke spice should be executed. i love spice. spice has saved my life on numerous occasions. if it weren’t for spice, i wouldn’t be the man/woman i am now today.
July 23rd, 2010 at 6:06 am
my parents have been growing spice since the early 70′s and it’s become my religion, my way of life. the only downside to spice is that it makes me poop funny, but suprisingly, the smell is fantastic!
July 25th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
I was looking to see if anyone smoked before their military test, how long before and past…Last time I smoked was 40 days and I am a light smoker NOT 24/7 Cheech and Chong Smoker, right? Will I piss “HOT”, my Piss Test is next WEEK ! Oh yeah, to all you Fags that smoke Spice or Encense, come on! wHERE DID YOU GET THAT AT THE JONAS BROS. CONCERT YOU QUEERS, Smoke Pot if you want to don’t smoke some crap you order out of the back of some comic book.
July 26th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Umm…I was told that yes there is indeed a test for Spice now…however its ur unit discretion whether to test for it or not. Come about next month it’ll become something they test for regardless…Spice stays in your system for about 3 days give or take ur body type weight excercise habits ect. Just because its legal doesn’t make it legal to those serving. Salvia is legal right? BUT the military can’t use it.
As for ambien…it has no properties that can make it be tested for. The reason its controlled is due to the fact that it has highly addictive properties but isn’t categorized as any of the things that the military tests for.
And btw…barbituates stay in ur system for like 2 wks. Lol. I had took some meds for a headache and it showed up on my UA 2 wks later. THC stays in waaay longer the 3-5 days..its like every hit or something like that causes it to stay in ur system longer…unless ur throwing back gallons of water, working out, and going to a sauna suck it up. U shouldn’t have smoked it in the 1st place lol.
July 29th, 2010 at 4:11 am
Hey guys. So I’m joining the Air Force and I just smoked like two puffs of reggies like 2 weeks ago, before that I didn’t smoke for like 2 months. Do You think that I will be good for my MEPS drug test in like 32 days?
July 29th, 2010 at 10:11 am
Carl, yes, as long as you stay clean from now until then, you’ll be fine… drink plenty of water in the meantime (but don’t drown yourself!)
July 29th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Finally some proof. http://www.redwoodtoxicology.com Now states that yes indeed they do have a test for spice now. So if your still smoking I reccomend quitting. States it can only be detected within 72hours.
July 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
so salvia can only be detected in urine for 72 hours?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:44 am
Al, Im not sure honestly. I just know what that site says. I know Salvia is not a synthetic cannabinoid and I was talking about a test for “Spice” which is entirely differnt substance.
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:17 pm
In response to smartass; there are tests and due to the recent crack down on spice and other synthetic drugs the military does do testing for them. whos the dumbass now
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Salvia divinorum has been known to be found in several brands of spice, k2 etc. Yes there are drug test for the synthetic drugs. The nomenclature of the active ingredient is a form of JWH most commonly found is JWH-018. Hope that helps
August 4th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
@ finally, i had to wade through alot of bullshit and opinions but im glad you posted the link. so thank you for the FACTS
August 7th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
i tested positive for sherm on my enlistment drug test. am i screwed or can i retest and be considered a candidate in the future? was a really dumb thing to do. i can’t a straight answer. thanks.
August 9th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
I’m 6ft tall, thin and work out frequently. My body has long thin bones and Im guessing a high metabolism since I seem unable to gain much fat. I work in construction so I’ve sweated alot. I last smoked weed a week ago. To anybody with credible experience on the subject, would you say I would test clean? My test is a week away. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
August 11th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
@gert; once you pop for something you’re no longer going to get in. ever. sorry bro
August 12th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
If someone in the Navy is caught smoking Spice – what is the penalty?
I know someone who’s being accused of it.
And though he actually didn’t do it – (he is anti-drug) – someone turned him in erroneously he is still facing the penalty.
August 21st, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Does anyone who can properly order or pick who will test during a urinalysis? Can and Enlisted person change a test that was directed by an officer to be random to a unit wide sweep at the last moment? And where might I find directives on this? Thanks
August 25th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
so is the spice test mandatory now or is it like roids and have to be requested
August 25th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
soooo i have to go to meps tomorrow && last time i smoked weed was july 10th..i was only an occassional smoker(weekends).. will i pass the test?
August 26th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Prettigurl you will be fine. Trust me. Anyone think spice will be outta your system in 8 days?
August 26th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
It’s honestly quite sad to see so many sheep chanting the same thing “Don’t smoke weed! It’s bad and illegal!” All you servicemembers are alcoholics. I should know, my brother drinks all the time. Why do you follow the government lies about marijuana? If you can drink, destroy your liver, beat your wife, and kill someone in an accident, then what’s wrong with me smoking a plant that has never in the history of the world killed someone? Try to keep an open mind about things. Just because you don’t smoke it, doesn’t mean I should be told I can’t. It will be legalized in my lifetime, whether you like it or not, and I hope you all pass by my house so I can offer you a hit.
August 28th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
so what is the deal with spice? Is it going to be automatically tested like everything else and does anyone have proof
August 31st, 2010 at 6:34 pm
ok let’s get back on topic.
Let’s say I smoked three bowls of spice a week before my MEPS drug test U/A. Will it pop? does anyone know..
August 31st, 2010 at 11:23 pm
if i smoke spice but stay clear of it a week before a drug test i will be fine?
August 31st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
For all that have a question about ‘spice’ it is not illegal it is illegal to ingest!! the product call spice or K2 is a synthetic cannibinoed, so when they do a drug test they test for a THC threshole in your bodies system…THEY DO NOT TEST FOR SPICE….YET ANYHOW!!! the feds are trying to make this top priority to be illegal but like with a politics it takes time!!! ONE MORE THING! if you are a pot smoker as i was for many years….what is your reason to join the millitary? they only thing now days joining the millitary is insured death….pot smokers are happy and don’t think of death so don’t think about joining the millitary….AND SCREW LAW INFORCEMENT LEAVE THAT TO THE KIDS THAT GOT PICKED ON IN HIGH SCHOOL AND HAVE SOMETHING TO PROVE!!!
August 31st, 2010 at 11:31 pm
ONE MORE THING THEY DO NOT TEST FOR SPICE. I KNOW SOMEONE ON PROBABTION/POROL AND HAS SMOKED IT OVER A YEAR AND HAS NEVER HAD A POSITIVE DRUG SCREENING!!! THANKS SO STOP ASKING ALL THESE STUPID QUESTIONS ABOUT SPICE WHEN IT IS NOT EVEN ILLEGAL IN THE US…ONLY IN OVER SEA COUNTRIES AS OF NOW….THE FUTURE WELL I CAN’T TELL YOU THAT AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE SO SOOOO…..YOU WILL PASS ANY DRUG TEST MILLITARY, GROCERY STORE, OR PROBATION TEST…ANY THING YOU HEAR IS TO SCARE THE VICTIM INTO NOT USING TO CURRENT DATE!!!
August 31st, 2010 at 11:35 pm
MR. fokitall- then how do you explain this? http://www.redwoodtoxicology.com/services/synthetic_cannabinoid_testing.html
August 31st, 2010 at 11:36 pm
AND IF YOU WORRY ABOUT COMING UP DIRTY IN A MILLITARY TEST JUST DON’T SMOKE ANYTHING AND DON’T BE A DUMB ASS JUST BE A HEAVY DRINKER AND BECOME A NUT CASE…THATS WHAT THE MILLITARY IS GOOD FOR RIGHT FUCKING UP YOUR LIFE, JUST TO PLAY WORLD POLICE AND GAIN DOMININCE OVER THE WORLD FOR INTIMIDATION. WHY DO YOU THINK WE ARE THE MOST HATED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD OTHER THAN LACK OF INTELLIGENCE!
August 31st, 2010 at 11:37 pm
mr fokitall go to that link!
August 31st, 2010 at 11:39 pm
TO WTF!!! THEY ONLY TEST IN OVER SEA COUNTRYS AS OF NOW…EVEN IF TESTED YOU CAN NOT BE PROSICUTED BECAUSE IT HAS NOT GONE THROUGH THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM AS A ILLEGAL DRUG YET… BUT LIKE I SAID I DON’T KNOW THE FUTURE IM SURE THEY WILL HAVE ONE SOON. BUT FOR NOW SMOKE ALL THE SPICE YOU WANT
August 31st, 2010 at 11:43 pm
where are u getting this info? and what about all these dudes gettin trouble for it the military? there obviously is sumthin goin on with this shit
August 31st, 2010 at 11:46 pm
I CORRECT MYSELF I DO BELIVE THEY TEST IN A FEW RANDOM STATES FOR IT NOW.. BUT IS SAFE UNTILL IT IS MADE PRESENT THAT THEY SCREEN FOR THE DRUG SPICE OR K2. YOU MUST BE AWARE BY LAW WHAT THEY ARE TESTING FOR AT ALL TIMES SOOOOOO, IN THEORY YOU WILL KNOW THEY ARE TESTING YOUR FOR IT WHEN IT COMES THAT TIME, RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST CONTRAVERSIAL TALK, AND PEOPLE BEING PARANOID IN WHICH THEY SHOULD NOT SMOKE IF IT PUTTING THAT MUCH OF A WORRIE ON THEM!
August 31st, 2010 at 11:48 pm
MILLITARY IS A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF KNOWING, THEY DO AS. THEY PLEASE AND TEST FOR WHAT THEY WANT WEATHER IT IS AGAINST A PERSONS RIGHT OR NOT. AND FOR INFO WISE JUST SEARCH SPICE OR K2 AND YOU WILL FIND ALL THE INFORMATION YOU WILL WANT TO FIND
August 31st, 2010 at 11:51 pm
well im in the guard and i got a airforce memo sateing that spice is illegal in the military and my first sgt said we will get kicked out if we smoke it. they have yet to specify if there is a test for it. but ive heard alot of storys of troops gettin in truoble over it and a few of random test for it that ive read on here ( read comment 35) i just want to know if i can smoke this shit except the 72 hrs before a have duty. i love it. the trip is awesome. ive had a few bad ones but even then i made them fun. i just want more cold hard facts
August 31st, 2010 at 11:54 pm
MY ADVICE TO YOU RIGHT NOW IS NOT TO SMOKE IT IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT A DISANARABLE DISCARGE…WHICH IS MY GUESS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.. JUST WAIT TILL YOUR OUT MAN AND SMOKE THE REAL THING BUDS ARE SOO MUCH BETTER NOTHING COMPARES TO THE SMELL AND TASTE OF GOOD DANK
August 31st, 2010 at 11:58 pm
PLUS IF YOU ARE A ACTIVE FIT PERSON AND YOU TAKE A HIT OF WEED IT IS USALLY OUT IN 3-5 DAYS ANYWAYS…THE HEAVY SET PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT TAKE LONGER TO GET CLEAN, BECAUSE EVERYTHING STORES IN YOUR FAT CELLS AND REMAIN LONGER THE MORE WEIGHT A PERSON HAS….FAT WEIGHT THAT IS. THC IS STORED IN FAT CELLS AND THAT IS WHY THRESHOLDS AND TIME TO GET CLEAN DEPEND ON A PERSONS PHYSICAL ATRIBUTES. IF YOU WORK OUT YOU WILL BE CLEAN FASTER THAT THAT FAT DUDE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES ALL DAY….GETTING FATTER LOL
September 1st, 2010 at 12:01 am
BUT FOR THE SERVICE PEOPLE….AND DON’T WISH TO RUIN A CAREER OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU HAVE GOING FOR YOU…JUST DON’T SMOKE ANYTHING UNTILL YOU ARE CLEAN AND CLEAR TO DO SO…TRUST ME THAT DAY WILL COME.
September 1st, 2010 at 5:14 pm
I’ve been in the military for a couple of years now. I have close friends and family who have been in for much longer. I also have a lot of stoner/hippy friends. Pre-Navy I smoked a lot of bud, but I knew that I had to quit. After all, which was more important to me, a buzz or a fatter paycheck. Spice? I’ve been tempted, but I’ve made the right decision and not smoked. It’s not the right decision because “drugs are evil and god hates happy people”. It’s the right decision because I don’t want to get dishcarged. Screw that! People have gotten booted left and right, I personally know dozens of cases. BUT all of them were either found with it or snitched on. I don’t know a single person that has popped for spice. I’m not saying it can’t be tested for, because it obviously can. I’m saying that the service doesn’t give a crap whether you piss yellow or clear, if they have any sign of evidence they will push for discharge. The kicker (and in my opinion the most absurd part) is that simple fact. If somebody didn’t like you, they could tell your CO that you’ve been smoking spice, and whether you have or not… you’re in the shit. Everybody is out to save their own asses, even though you’ll get the boot whether you snitch or not, and will throw you under the bus before you can say “But I can pass a drug test!” My advice, wait until your out and hope that people don’t get you caught up in their own problems.
September 4th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
http://www.redwoodtoxicology.com/services/synthetic_cannabinoid_testing.html
That is a link to a “Spice” testing company. Still very expensive, and well worth noting that no one wants to spend that much money. Also, spice doesn’t stay in the system long. Smoke Happy Friends
September 4th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
same site says that the testing window is 72 hours. Can be reduced through the same methods to reduce visibility of weed.
September 8th, 2010 at 2:10 am
we had a command wide urinalysis today (500 people at least) and i had taken prescription medications i had been previously prescribed (adderall accidentally and percocet which had been prescribed for a dental procedure for my knee) unfortunately it all happened within 24 hours of taking the test..I know the deal with taking them after the prescription window, however i was wondering if having diluted my sample by drinking a crap ton of water and going four times before the test will help my cause, and if they test every sample in such a large sweep. Would really appreciate some feedback because i’m kind of freaking out right now..thanks.
September 9th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
anyone go through rotc and get drug tested? im a cadet and a lot of the other kids smoke weed and i’ve heard they never do except if you get ratted out, anyone go through rotc and get randomly drug screened?
September 11th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Yea I’ve been through rotc and seen it happen numerous times while i was there. just be careful.
September 12th, 2010 at 7:08 am
Xanax is almosr impossible to show up on a drug test because of how quickly it leaves your body!
September 13th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
By the way. they only test you for 1 of 4 substances. thc, cocaine, opium, and amphetamine, and 1 random substance to include lsd, barbiturates and other substances found in prescription meds.
September 13th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
just curious how you know that.
September 14th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Okay, to everyone worried about spice AND the military…I have researched the entire internet over a course of several weeks and bring you what you need to know!
Your standard MEPS physical does NOT test for spice/k2/salvia. There ARE tests for spice, you’ve seen the link posted many times already. Although not yet part of the standard urinalysis testing, the military can AND will use it if they suspect you of smoking it.
Lets get it straight, I have used marijuana and spice before, and I’ve got to say, the military is a far better stimulant than any intoxicating substance. It DOESN’T matter if spice is legal in your state!
The military justifies your less-than-honorable discharge under a different article than article 134(drugs). Article 92 states, in short, that if you use any substance to induce a “high” or stupify your cognitive abilities, you are abusing drugs and qualify for discharge. (I read the entire statement as the air force wrote it, but it is illegal in all four branches, including air national guard and other auxiliary branches)
Now, spice will stay in your system for around 3 days. The main thing is to never go on base or anywhere in the military with spice OR the tools you use to smoke it, i.e. bongs or pipes. Make sure your car is clean and can’t fail a random search.
In the military, a positive random drug test IS a career killer. Just don’t do it, we need our service members to be ready for action at ALL TIMES!
Otherwise, I hope my tax dollars don’t continue to pay for you to “narrowly” avoid discharge just because you now know the detection window is 3 days. Don’t ever get close, random does mean random and you won’t expect it. You’re in the military, be proud of it, own it, and stay off the drugs, you’re better than that.
September 14th, 2010 at 3:40 am
So here it is plain and simple.
1.Can spice be tested for? YES
2.Who in DOD will do it? All
3.How much will it cost the DOD per sample? +/- $50 a sample.
4.thats crazy,will they pay it? Yes. We are down sizing right now so there is no reason to keep what we dont want.
5.HOW LONG IS IT IN MY SYSTEM??? 72 hours according to current test.
I do not condone drug use in my military, however I believe the quickest way to prevention in education. I am the Substance Abuse Control Officer for my Unit.
If you are using now, its best to stop. If you dont want to be aware of the consequences. Nothing is worse than a BCD (Bad Conduct Discharge) or dishonorable. This is where its going now, zero tolerance for spice. The USMC is orchestrating a Corp wide attack on this drug. Be aware.
Good luck to all of you.
If you are going to do something wrong, make sure that after you get caught (locked in brig, reduced, or discharged) you can look back and say it was worth it, if not, DONT DO IT!
Semper Fidelis
September 14th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
I know the average time for military drug test results to be returned to the command is about 3-5 days. Is this the case for spice testing also or does it take longer?
September 15th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
If you want a cleaner system before a “Designated Testing Deadline”, donate blood for more assurance. I did just this and passed a test in 5 days. A sweaty walk will help as well.
I am with the other folks, pot is up to 7 days max if you aren’t fat.
September 15th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
I’m sorry to say this, but pot doesn’t get out of your system in 7 days. I smoked a good bowl or two every other day for a couple of years, and when I quit, I started a 7-day total detox after 2 days of being clean. Even after 7 days of the detox, I failed a home drug test. I continued using the remainder of the detox for the next 3 days, and finally, 14 days later, I was passing home drug tests.
So, don’t cut the time close for your test is my best advice.
September 17th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Sgt. Fear Monger(SFM) here… Just to clear up some bullshit rumors and false information put out here, SFM has a couple things to say. First off lying, and trying to control the active duty military through the use of fear is a popular method used by the higher ups in the armed forces. These higher ups preach about having integrity, yet they have none…
SFM has a friend who is active duty military and smokes spice everyday. SFM’s friend was picked for a random urinalysis the day after he smoked during the first week of september, 2010. Friend has not pissed hot for any illegal substances, including synthetic canabinoids. As of september 2010 the military does NOT test for synthetic canabinoids in a routine random urinalysis. However… this does not mean they can’t. You have all seen the websites to the private company that provides spice testing; the test is quite real. SFM suggests if you smoke spice, its best you quit. If the military catches you with any spice in your possession, or if someone even tells any higher up that you smoke spice, you will most likely be discharged or in a great deal of trouble.
Another note, according to the UCMJ, the military needs your writen consent to test you on a specific substance (if you are active duty, you signed this paper at meps). SFM should not have to spell out anymore.
Best of luck gentlemen, and please quit doing anything illegal in the military! It is not worth it, your life will be ruined for something stupid. Its time to smarten up! your country needs you!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:41 pm
We just went through a Safety Stand Down at our command today, and one of the topics, other than how to properly wear a safety harness and don’t beat your wife, was of course, Spice. First off they told us it was Illegal (wow no kidding?) but then they continued on to tell us which Shops in the area SOLD it, what were the Best kinds to buy, how much it was per gram, ect ect. They finished off buy saying it Wasn’t testable and obviously don’t do it… which brings me to this site today. It all sounded Way too fishy and decided to look up on it, now i foresee a Command Sweep in my near future. I dont smoke it, but now i fear for alot of my friends at my unit who use it regularly. hopefully they hear me out and stop smoking for a bit, because i Highly doubt they will use this type of test for the handful of individuals that get randomly selected to piss every month (the cost obviously), they’re gonna do it big with a Sweep.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Damn, that does sound very fishy! The people who have been busted were caught either with it on them or were seen buying it. I have no doubt they were setting you up to buy it at a place they were keeping an eye on. My suggestion is don’t start and bail your buddies out!
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:29 pm
I am a trusted agent in the AF and yes they can and do test for spice. I have an Airman in my squadron who is being discharged for it right now. In the last 6 months we have discharged 12 people from my base for spice use. Just because its not illegal in the Civ world doesnt mean military members can smoke it. We have been directed not to therefore you cant!
September 24th, 2010 at 10:46 am
now all this talk about “spice” is black mamba/red magic the incense thing the same and will i pop.
September 24th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Firegam…anything you inhale in order to alter your mental state is ILLEGAL!!!
The ONLY exceptions are tobacco products, alcohol, and current prescriptions. And yes, black mamba and red magic fall under the spice category. No you will not pop if you stop now, the military doesn’t use the spice drug test in their standard urinalysis test BUT if they suspect you of doing it they WILL use the spice test on you!
September 26th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
So basically after readin all the comments posted here over the last few months :
if you are in the military, and smoke spice, you may have been getting away with it for a long time. As a lot of ppl have said, they don’t actively test for spice in normal military tests, but they can! So if you do, you ought to quit now. That’s it in a nutshell!
September 27th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
I am supposed to go to MEPS Oct 1st. It has been 5 weeks since I last blazed and am passing home tests and recruiter kits no prob(5’8 140lbs/5% body fat). My recruiter says MEPS is just like his test, but I call B*llSh*t on that. Does MEPS use a GC/MS test on all samples or just positive dip stick tests? Should I pay for my own GC/MS test prior to MEPS? Thanks all and excuse my paranoia!
September 28th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
@ jimbo slice. You should be fine then. If you pass the home one you will pass at MEPS. I know that from experience…both checks are looking for the same levels in your urine. @ all the spice smokers…I smoked yesterday for the first time and have a ua on Saturday morning. I won’t touch spice until after that…I will update with the results…I am active duty military, I have not smoked weed since I have been in and tried black mamba spice last night. Came in this morning and was told to have the company ready for their ua sat morning. From the sounds of things I will be fine, but I will let all of you know if something bad!
September 28th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Good luck man, I’m sure nothing will come up at your ua but I wouldn’t let spice become a habit. If one person squeals on you, you’re done.
September 29th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I am a nuke in the navy. I am in Charlseton sc, and they did a command sweep of power school this monday, and now (wednesday) they are doing one at prototype. I have heard thru the grapevine that they are specifically testing for synthetic cannaboids(sp). If you are in the navy, stop smoking now. I will repost with how many people pop hot.
September 29th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Someone who isn’t me(actually a couple people) Were smoking spice all weekend and had a ua on monday. still waiting for the results
How long after would one find out wether or not they pop’d 10days tops?
September 29th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Thanks for all the answers, I should have clarified I was talking about MJ and not Spice. I just took a lab test (GC/MS)on my own to be safe after 35 days and will get the results Oct 1st. Apparently MEPS in my area is closed the rest of this week, so they want me to go in on the 5th, which would be 43 days no Ganja. Will post my results for the lab test I took prior to MEPS. Thanks all!
September 29th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Oh and the lab that is doing my GC/MS for cheeba is REDWOOD, same company that tests for spice. Both tests say 48-72 hours for results. It cost me $29 after tax for either test fyi…local lab in town sends to Reedwood for confirmations. Best of luck to us all!
September 29th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
For all of you guys in the Army, look at the new army times newspaper. It is the cover story, and says that the army does not test for it. enough said.
September 29th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
@army guy…enough said? Well since it is a cover story claiming they don’t test don’t you think they will now? I would imagine that the article shows that “spice” is a problem and that it is currently not tested for, so based on common sense they will probably begin testing for it. Maybe they won’t test for it at MEPS, but you have to bet they will be testing for it as much as the other common drugs. I wouldn’t recommend anyone use it unless you know your are clear for at least 72 hours (according to redwood labs), which is the only lab that “advertises” it being tested. Again using common sense, there must be military labs that can also test for it and perhaps for even longer periods of time. Luckily it is WATER SOLUBLE unlike the good stuff. Good luck to all who use it and always go with your gut!
September 30th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
How long would it take for you to find out that you pop’d on a Ua.
October 1st, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Word is that as soon as spice is made impossible legally, that chemists will simply change one molecule of the subtance to make it a whole new substance. They also claim that they can do this without changing the effects much or any.
None of this changes the fact that decriminalization of cannabis is way overdue.
October 4th, 2010 at 11:04 am
So after 36 days no smoking ganj (10 years straight at least 1x daily prior, also 5″8 140lbs)I tested at 6ng/ml on a GC/MS test. I passed the EMIT test, but just wanted to know my exact levels. Should be good to go to MEPS in two weeks (50days total). Also, someone else failed a GC/MS test after 75 days!!! Just some friendly info for you all. Last, but not least I smoked a bowl of spice 2 days before the test and it was not detected. Cheers!
October 5th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
@jimbo
i know b4 i joined it took me 60-90 days to get clean cus i wan ingested some where in between an 1/8 or 1/4 a day for about 7 years
but dont join the military its just a waste of time and life youll never get back. just go to college and make something of your life !
i wish i did, ive been battling severe depression, anxiety, stress and unreasonable fearfulness for everything
this is a painful job, but for some its too much after a while….
good luck
October 6th, 2010 at 4:56 am
this is for yO.
it is a legal drug, spice i mean. However it is illegal to use any substance that effects your ability to do your job effectively. you can look it up online if you want the military is putting people out with a dishonorable discharge if they are caught using, buying, selling, or anything else in connection with spice. so you are dead fucking wrong, i wish that people not affiliated with any branch of the military would shut the fuck up with their stupid opinions. if you are in the military just stop doing drugs and stop trying to find other things that act like drugs, be a soldier and live the according to your laws, the UCMJ!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
THANK YOU! I AGREE 100%
Somebody had to say it!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I smoked on Saturday only a little bit it’s been months since the last time
Have a fast metabolism 5’11 150
Chugged a gallon of water before my test today
Will I pass
October 6th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I smoked on Saturday only a little bit it’s been months since the last time
Have a fast metabolism 5’11 150
Chugged a gallon of water before my test today
Will I pass
October 6th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I smoked on Saturday only a little bit it’s been months since the last time
Have a fast metabolism 5’11 150
Chugged a gallon of water before my test today
Will I pass
October 6th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
someone who isn’t me smoked spice sat/sun and pissed early morning monday. was last week and still haven’t heard anything. and didn’t chug a gallon of water before hand.
October 8th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Sorry dude, you’re an idiot for smoking after being clean just before your test. Don’t join the military, we don’t want you.
October 8th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
We all join the military for different reasons, but the simple fact is you took an oath and made that decision to join. So just do your time and stop trying to find different ways to get high. I wish I could smoke, but it’s just not worth an admin discharge. There are tests for spice out there and I know for a fact that the Navy is going to start using them more frequently. If the risk is worth it to you then go ahead and smoke. I really don’t want to go to GQ with someone who’s been sneaking rips on the smoke deck anyways.
October 9th, 2010 at 1:59 am
Yeah, seriously, nobody wants you around if you are so hooked on being high that you even have to worry about whether or not they test for it. It’s a poor lifestlye, get over it or choose another career.
October 10th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Following up on 80af’s earlier comments, it is true that chemists are altering the structures in the jwh and hu families to produce the same effects as it’s more notorios, and sometimes even banned cousins. Case in point being the laws against spice put into place in the state of tennesse. Tennesssee banned any herbal mixtures containing salvia div., jwh-018, jwh-073, or hu-210 from being sold/possessed. The spice market here didn’t miss a beat and began producing ‘blends’ free of the banned substances, but with other variations not yet banned. Same kool aid, just a different flavor. According to erowid, there are litterally hundreds of different cannabinoid receptor agonists out there. That to me says that it will be a long time before before we have to worry about any kind of a reliable test for spice, and makes identifying spice “in the field” next to impossible.
Bottom line is this…if you are in the service and insist on getting high daily(such as I did), make it yourself (going to the smoke shop near base is probably not a good idea) and exclude these 2 variations that the military can test for. Also be tactful as to how you get high. I smoked spice for 2 years in the service, and never got caught because of my discretion(and probably partialy because a lot of people hadn’t even heard about it yet). Don’t use pipes! Get good at rolling blunts/joints, and always keep your papers ‘camoflaged’ in a pouch of rolling tobacco. Keep your spice in an oregano/thyme etc spice container up in your cabinet with the other herbs. Sounds kinda paranoid, but I’ll take paranoia over career ender any day.
October 12th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
You know that shit is just awful for you. I’ve heard of people hawking black lugis after a year of smoking it like marijuana. Aren’t you worried more about the health aspect rather than the legality. There are no tests are clinical research on spice, unlike the marijuana’s extensive analysis. It seems to me like too many people are short-sighted and don’t realize they will probably die early deaths due to this “incense”. NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION is printed on every bag for christ’s sake!
October 17th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
took a xanax bar then that tested 7 days later will it show up?
October 18th, 2010 at 9:27 am
you’re an idiot
October 19th, 2010 at 12:28 am
IN CAPS LOCK TO GET YOUR ATTENTION. JUST HAD BACK IN THE SADDLE TRAINING FOR MARINES AND OUR SUBSTANCE ABUSE CONTROL OFFICER (SACO) TOLD US THEY CANNOT TEST FOR SPICE. HE WAS BEING REAL WITH US. BUT IF YOU GET CAUGHT IN THE ACT OF DOING IT OR SOMEBODY FINDS YOUR SHIT YOU WILL BE CHARGED.
October 19th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/10/military-spice-pentagon-risks-101410w/
Straight from the Article…..
Military officials acknowledge that the drug is difficult, if not impossible, to catch in routine urinalysis tests.
“We have a difficulty detecting it,” Army Col. Timothy Lyons, chief of toxicology in the Defense Department’s medical examiner’s office, said in the same video.
Experts say spice is a blend of common herbs treated with synthetic cannabinoids, which are chemicals that affect the brain in a manner similar to the active ingredients in marijuana.
Enjoy!
October 19th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
I JUST WANNA SAY THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH SMOKING WEED!
I JUST HAD A DRUG TEST THE OTHER DAY @ Drill, Its most likely gonna be positive, and i’ll probably face a discharge. Yes, I am VERY UPSET WITH MYSELF THAT I MADE ONE DECISION THIS MONTH TO RELAX MY NERVES AND SMOKE A BLUNT. I’M IN THE NATIONAL GUARD, I WORK 2 jobs, with one being a MANAGER, and go to school FULL TIME! I’M ALSO SMART ENOUGH TO NOT GO TO WORK/COMBAT HIGH. I ALSO BELIEVE that I’M MORE MOTIVATED/ SMARTER/ AND MORE AMBITIOUS THAN half of the AMERICAN population, regardless that i smoke weed. IT HAS NOT ONE NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS. ALCOHOL AND TABACCO ARE WHAT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!!! SOLDIERS ARE FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM, MY ASS, OUR GOVERNMENT IS NOTHING BUT A CONSPIRACY!
October 19th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
if you pass a home test for pot with first morning pee are you good for MEPS
October 20th, 2010 at 3:45 am
took a bunch of percocet on saturday nite and got hit with a UA on tuesday morning. chances of popping hot?
October 20th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
if you dont do it alot then oxycodone is out of the system in 1-2 days if taken for several days 3-5 days but it depends on the physical makeup of the person
October 20th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
anyone think 13 days is good enough to pass meps for thc?
October 20th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
so basically, i haven’t smoked since… september 23rd ish? and i’m planning on going to MEPs on tuesday. i’m calling my recruiter tomorrow to confirm that after i talk to my manager at work to get the day off. i’m not usually a huge smoker, but during the summer, i smoked a lot more than i normally do because of stress. ever since i’ve been for joining the military, i’ve had no desire to smoke at all, so not smoking from this day on is absolutely not problem for me. but i’m still nervous like no other to pass. i’m 5ft (yes i’m short!) about 100lbs. (yes i’m tiny, but at least i pass minimum height/weight). since i’ve given some background, my question is, does it look like i’ll be fine passing at MEP? or since i still have the opportunity to reschedule everything, should i tell me recruiter to wait? because i’m also considering on telling him the truth about when the last time i have smoked, informing him i’m done with it for good.
also, i’m so worried about this because i took a drug test in his office today and the line was a little faint, but he said it was because the drug test was not accurate or not that great? i don’t remember, and he had me pour it into another drug test cup, and we waited till the results showed and the line was more clearer.
ahh, an opinion from someone who’s gone through this process with drug testing and knows more information about the MEP drug tests would be great!
October 20th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
13 days should be good as long as you are not heavey set, just drink plenty of water the morning of MEPS for insurrence and Sara you are fine fot MEPS dont even stress it
October 21st, 2010 at 12:08 am
^
i don’t mean to overly stress on my worry, but how confident are you in your answer? i would feel overwhelmed if i failed and was disqualified over a choice or the choices i wish i never made. D:
October 21st, 2010 at 12:12 am
yeah i weigh no more than 140 lbs, fast metabolism, i could eat a pound of lard and not gain an ounce
it was the cheapest stuff you can buy, smoked twice in two days, maybe 6 hits, i had quit for two weeks before that, at least two weeks, dont remember, i had been smoking the same stuff for about 3 months, maybe 3 times a week on average at most
good thing i never really figured out to inhale the smoke properly
never doing it again
October 21st, 2010 at 12:17 am
i think you should be good too, i wish the last time i smoked was then, i’d be so calm and careless right now
October 21st, 2010 at 12:27 am
hah, really?
well… i guess that’s good. when are you taking the test at MEPS and which branch are you joining?
October 21st, 2010 at 12:29 am
army, on the first
October 21st, 2010 at 12:32 am
awesome.
well good luck to you sir
October 21st, 2010 at 12:33 am
same to you
what branch?
October 21st, 2010 at 12:40 am
navy.
verry excited for it if all goes well
October 21st, 2010 at 12:42 am
i’m excited too, just unbelievably stressed/worried
October 21st, 2010 at 12:47 am
i feel ya! i’m trying to reassure myself that with my body type, it should give me an advantage, but i’ve been researching basically all day about this whole subject and i can’t get it off my mind because of how important it is to me. most likely i’m going to my recruiter tomorrow and tell him what’s up… and see what he thinks and says and go from there.
October 21st, 2010 at 12:55 am
i’ve done like 30 hours of research on the internet
http://www.ndci.org/sites/default/files/ndci/THC_Detection_Window_0.pdf
that gives me hope but i dont know
October 21st, 2010 at 1:19 am
hmm,
do you know the cut-off level that they’re going to be using?
that does provide some hope and reassurance. but not soo much if it’s ZERO tolerance. which i’ve read in other forums, but i don’t know how factual that really is
October 21st, 2010 at 1:35 am
50 ng/ml
15 ng/ml if you dont seem normal on that one
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October 21st, 2010 at 11:31 pm
If you are wondering about spice, they can’t test for it
If you are wondering about weed, it depends on your degree of usage, metabolism, and level of physical activity. worried about a test? go to a smoke shop and buy a detox kit. along with that, start working out a lot and go in a sauna. thats the best advice there is.
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October 23rd, 2010 at 6:55 pm
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October 25th, 2010 at 2:31 am
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October 25th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Thank you for making the safety concern clear, that’s what I’ve been trying to get across to people here. I know of people who have had black discharge from their lungs after years of smoking spice. It is not an authority/law issue, it is a serious cancerous/early death issue. report away my friend, these people don’t belong in the military if they rely on this shit to stay high. god what idiots.
October 25th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
This what happens when a generation of young men are raised by the new school of parents. Most sane Americans are not stupid enough to believe smokin bud will kill you or lead you to any other drugs. Ask any ER doctor how many people come in overdosing on weed. No cases of cancer or people having health problems from weed. “But wait smoking will give you cancer”. You don’t have to smoke to get the wonderful benifits of the most amazing plant. what other plant can help people with cancer, make paper and clothes, get high off…etc. This is a sympton our young men and women being told not to do something and then when the ability to give your self a little peace presents it’s self. The conversation goes like this”well I was lied to before and they must be lying now”. They smoke a substance that has no research and is addictive. The only drugs that I know are addictive are the same that can kill you(tobacco,cocaine,heroin,alcohol,,,). How many deaths from pot…0.
Oh and if your worried about getting tested for SPICE. Read the latest Navy times. This shit is super hard to test for and most don’t stand up in court. If you live in California. Go out and VOTE!! STOP smoking death just wait soon it will be legal.
October 26th, 2010 at 1:20 am
What the fuck did that last guy say, He sounds like someone who smokes pot, can’t even write coherent sentences. FUCK YOU!
October 26th, 2010 at 9:38 am
have a friend who smoked some week weeks before going down to join navy dep. he took test, got sworn in, and got a good job. dude was really excited. before, he was just doing it for his family. some days passed and he callig everyone happy. then, they kicked him out of program because his test came back. dude is really cool cat. does this mean he can never join any military service, ever?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
how long do hot resluts from MEPS take its been 11 days since i went am i good?
October 27th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
I think you’re fine, the results are usually 3 to 5 days
November 1st, 2010 at 6:51 pm
I did a few lines last week and just today while smoking a blunt of weed my recruiter called me! “You are going to MEPS!” What do? Also, if you need to know I’m joining the Marines.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Tell your recruiter what you did. Any Marine Corps recruiter worth his salt will have a drug test to give you before MEPS. If you are serious about the Corps, knock that shit off. If you can’t, find another line of work.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:46 pm
And remember, a recruiter’s job is to get you in. MEPS job is to disqualify you. Be honest with your recruiter and HOPE they are honest with you.
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:25 am
Why do people continue to do that shit when they know they’re going in to the military? Man up, dumbass!
November 3rd, 2010 at 10:26 pm
to all worried about a meps drug test its not that severe, kinda like a home test. they have a machine they put it in but whatever. to all you poor basterds that havent took the oath yet back THE FUCK OUT find something else if you can if not then give up on your life and turn into a monster thats what you can expect. expect to get fucked over ALOT. seriously get used to it and expect to get fucked over alot (x2). im almost sure they are gonna make spice part of the UA strip by next year (i was betting by the end of this year)…
November 5th, 2010 at 8:33 am
Im in the Indiana National Guard since march 2010 i joied because i was hugray and this was the only way. now i have a wife and a kid on the way in january 2012 i deploy in not scared of fighting i just dont want to leave my family. can some one tell me if u pop for a drug test with pot
November 5th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Anyone been to Meps lately? Have the changed their drug screening to include K2 and synthetic cannaboids?
November 5th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
The military has a difficulty finding it in urine…but the test can detect it for up to 72 hrs….
November 5th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
No, Meps won’t test for any synthetics. But you better fucking quit now. The military is gearing up for a nationwide lockdown on the drug. And besides, do you know how bad that shit is for you? Try reading the whole forum. There’s a lot on it.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Do they do hair follicle drug testing in the service?
November 14th, 2010 at 1:17 am
I smoke spice on the weekends never during the work week but honestly just quit soon like I am. While it’s legal, the navy won’t hive a shit since they can kick even more people out and save money.
November 16th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Ok, i am joining the Navy soon and i was a lifelong chronic smoker. I made the decision about a week ago to give it up alltogether. I am going to put an end to this madness…I hope to god the Military starts testing regularly for spice, its retarded, look at how many of you fools are putting your careers in jeopardy for a manmade herb that you don’t even know the side effects of. I live with 4 Navy guys and all of them have been briefed on spice and told me about the breefings…who the hell cares if they have a test or not even though someone posted a link to an obvious test site…they will eventually, trust me…the government will leave no stone unturned when it comes to the safety of our nation…it is not worth your time…drinking is way worse, pot is not dangerous, but try and explain that to the D.O.D…you are not worth their time because there are thousands of clean people that would love to take your position. To be honest, you all sound like a bunch of fucking girls asking the same question about spice and weed..doesn’t it make sense that when you get caught you are done, Discharged, no questions asked…Is all the time and blood and sweat you put into your military career worth defacing yourself to smoke a plant…If you really wanna smoke, get out and move to Cali and get high all day. Your retarded if you think you are going to get away with it for any period of time because there are soooo many snitches in the military, you say ONE I MEAN ONE WRONG WORD TO THE WRONG PERSON OR THE WRONG PERSON EVEN GETS AN IDEA IN THEIR HEAD ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING…YOU ARE WELL, FUCKED. MANY PEOPLE USE THIS AS LEVERAGE TO GET RESPECT OR ADVANCE RANK IN THE MILITARY BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE SYSTEM GOES. THERE ARE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AGAINST YOU AND TRYING TO GET YOU CAUGHT UP…I WOULD SMOKE ALL DAY IF POSSIBLE, BUT IT JUST IS NOT WORTH IT ANYMORE. WHEN THE DAY I COMES THAT I GET OUT OF THE MILITARY, I WILL SMOKE AGAIN, BUT PRIORITIES AND SAVING YOUR NAME SHOULD COME FIRST. TO ALL THE YOUNG GUYS AND PARENTS ON HERE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS…HOW WOULD YOU TELL YOUR FAMILY THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT IN COMPTON NOW BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO GET HIGH AND YOUR LIVES ARE RUINED NOW…AND TO YOU KIDS, HOW WILL PROUD MOMMY FEEL WHEN YOU ARE UNHONORABLY DISCHARGED FOR DRUG USE. NOT COOL. GROW UP. MAN THE FUCK UP AND DO WHAT YOU CAME HERE TO DO. PROTECT THE GOD DAMNED COUNTRY, NOT GET STONED. I AM NOT IN THE MILITARY BUT LIVE WITH FOUR 4 YEAR+ NAVY GUYS AND GET FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN DAY. TRUST ME, IF A HIPPIE LIKE ME CAN GET THIS IDEA IN MY HEAD, YOU CAN TOO, SOLDIER.
November 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
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November 16th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
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November 16th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
my farther was in the military too so thats why he is trying to get my sister an me in the military because my farther is the highest out of anybody in the military so thats why he wan’ts me to get into the military and my sister in the military too.
November 16th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
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November 16th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
I was at a birthday bash this past Friday fora good friends brother. At the party there was food people had made, ordered pizza and a couple different types of alcohol. I had drill the next morning (Sat) so I only had maybe 3 or 4 wine coolers which I normally don’t drink due to the sweet taste and ate some food to include chocolate icing brownies. When I got home I didn’t feel very well, like a little out of it, and thought it was from the wine coolers since I don’t normally drink them. Sunday we had a company wide Urinalysis. Today (Tues) I bumped into a friend who was also at the Friday night bday bash and she proceeded to tell me that my friends brother made brownies and they were “special brownies” but no one knew about it until afterwards. I had 2 heroin addicted parents and growing up with that sort of thing left a bad taste in my mouth about drugs so I never touched any of it not even once. I had friends who smoked and never cared but I haven’t so much as smoked a cigarette in my entire life! In fact I have a extreme sensitivity to any type of smoke in general due to a weak upper respiratory system. I am now very concerned about possibly showing hot on the drug screen and don’t know if I should contact my First SGT and tell him what happened or if I’m just over reacting and that it won’t show up. Does anyone have any ideas??
November 18th, 2010 at 5:46 am
To let everyone know, Im deployed in Iraq and General Order 1 states that spice and K2 are banned in theater. Two days ago they did room inspections and found empty baggs of insence and tobacco rolling implements. I figure they are trying to nail me to a cross… if anyone has suggestions, im all ears. Otherwise I am just going to talk to JAG asap… Peace
November 18th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
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November 19th, 2010 at 3:04 am
if you get caught with anything, refuse to talk to anyone becides a legal rep first. anything you need to say or answer will be done so by TDS or JAG reps. dont incriminate yourself, and dont let investigators or your chain of command brake you down and force you to talk.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:51 pm
we get high in the Mariens! ooohhhraaa
November 27th, 2010 at 9:56 am
As of 24 Nov 2010 the DEA announced an “emergency scheduling” which means that 30 days from now spice will not be legal to sell or buy anywhere in the United States..I suppose if you have to do it buy it now before it’s too late.
Also, the drug will be outlawed for one year while scientific research is conducted to determine whether or not the drug is safe…
November 27th, 2010 at 9:57 am
**Sorry, I meant ILLEGAL to sell or buy…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Several things to say. Im a recruit so Im not going to pretend I know much about anything.
I got on here to find out about spice and wether I would fail a drug test for smoking it almost a month ago. After reading All these comments I am confident I’ll be fine, I dont ship till next week making it a full 45 days since smoking spice. Apparantly I would have been fine with just 3, but I wont be smoking anymore because my nerves have been on edge, and I just dont wanna feel on edge ever again. Thanks for all the information those who know what they are talking about.
I say this about THC. I use to smoke, I am skinny as a toothpick, no body fat, I work out, sweat a lot, drink a lot of water everything everyone says will help you flush THC out in a week or so. It’s not true, give yourself the 30 days, dont risk it. If you’ve smoked dont DEP! tell your recruiters you’ve smoked, they’ll just say dont do it again, and wait till you’re clean to get you DEP’ed in. If you’re on your way to be DEP’ed and you’ve smoked, I hope you get lucky. Remember your recruiters will help you, everyone beyond that point WILL NOT. I failed a drug test (private DT, at a lab, on my own free will for curiosity) after 3 weeks of being clean and on an excercise routine.
I hope this advice is helpful
November 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Redwood testing Laboratoies. The only company that has come up with a test for synthetic cannabinoids. The are able to detect compounds that only show up with ingestion. This is for real. would recommend to all those considering using spice to reconsider and evaluate your current situaton. Do you like your job? Do you want to keep your job? I recommend that you stop using and keep it clean. The DEA has used emergency power to get this stuff off the market. Here are some FACTS: RTL now offers lab-based testing for the detection of JWH-018
and JWH-073 metabolites in urine. JWH-018 and JWH-073 are the
primary synthetic cannabinoid receptor agonists responsible for the
euphoric and psychoactive effects that imitate marijuana and are
among the numerous compounds found in “herbal” incense
or smoke blends.
JWH-compounds are now being sprayed on herbal material and
sold as “fake weed” or “synthetic marijuana.” Users looking for a
“legal high” often turn to popular herbal smoking products marketed
under brand names such as K2, K3, Spice, Genie, Smoke,
Pot-pourri, Buzz, Pulse, Hush, Mystery, Earthquake, Ocean Blue,
Stinger, Serenity and many others.
December 1st, 2010 at 6:15 pm
How will they know what kind of spice to test for? I smoke nutmeg on a regular basis and have not popped hot. Would smoking oregano or cinnamon cause me to po hot?
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:00 am
I think if you just smoke some common sense you’ll do just fine.
(Fucking oregano?! Are you fucking kidding man?!)
December 9th, 2010 at 10:25 am
I’m gonna smoke weed for the rest of my life. I get drug tested from the military all the time for THC and never failed. I smoke everyday. If i can do it all of you can do it. I suggest you start smoking pot and not anay of this other shit unless you want to die. Go deep enoug into the internet and you’ll find what i found. I’ll never fail a drug test again
December 11th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
I don’t think you can be very successful with 5 hour detox windows every time you test. At least people with more important jobs than services get random drug tests and you can’t plan for it with a detox. Besides, those just mask the metabolites, they don’t make them go away. It is unfortunate but the shit stays in your system for weeks.
December 14th, 2010 at 5:56 am
im in the army national guard and i admitted to using steroids they did not test me and gave me a simple piss test the next drill said the were going to talk to command about what to do, doesnt anybody know what i may be looking at?
December 14th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
after receiving my dd214 in the navy… if a drug test comes up positive months after you are out of the service can it affect your discharge still? or is it counted as a wash since your are done???
December 17th, 2010 at 12:50 am
so they dont test for steroids in normal random tests? u only have to be forced to take one if ur command suspects it? i try so hard eat a fuck ton, lift a fuck ton and im still small as fuk and weak as fuck i never get bigger stronger or faster and ive never gotten a first class pft or cft while theres d bags with 300 pft who get hammered everyother day who get promoted fast as fuck . im getting desperate
December 18th, 2010 at 11:54 am
My question is for anyone whose ever used steriods. Will the meps urine and blood test detect steriod use? Im getting ready to enlist and my recruiter told me he doesn’t want to send me until im for sure clean. i looked up the steriod i am using and it said 3-6 months.
December 22nd, 2010 at 2:11 pm
does anyone knoq if the marine corps tests for methodine. the indreient in bath salt.
December 25th, 2010 at 1:23 am
I am not in the military… However I am on prohbation and got 2 positive tests for K2 spice… I did get redwood tests but also swabs and I’m not sure which one made me test positive… What I do know is that it had been over 72 hours since I had smoked… I am not fat but I am not skinny… Don’t really know how long is stays in your system… But there is definately a test for it…
December 25th, 2010 at 1:42 am
http://www.redwoodtoxicology.com/
if you go to this site youll get alot of answers on k2 spice or any of the spices for that matter
January 6th, 2011 at 5:17 am
please dont use this stuff. its pure poison. i have researched it all over and can only come to one conclusion. we dont know enough to put things in our bodies like this. i dont use drugs, i actually catch people doing them. i have a pictures of everyone that lives near san clemente going to the smoke shops buying this stuff that even look like a marine. i will submit these if it keeps happening. stay sober, and safe. your country needs you.
January 6th, 2011 at 5:54 am
hey, if i am a civilian psychologist on an army post hired as a contractor, am i subject to drug testing policies of the army (random testing, as if i were a government employee? or is it up to my contracting company to set their own policies?? thanks
January 8th, 2011 at 12:10 am
Hey, I just got back from MEPS and am worried about coming up positive for the muscle relaxer Flexeril. I took it on the 29th, pissed on the 1st and am wondering whether it will show and whether it will DQ me. I’m a skinny guy, don’t take it regularly (my dad gave me one for a knot in my quad), and drink plenty of water. Any help on this would be appreciated.
January 10th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
im just showing going in to see a recruiter in 4 days and im wondering if I will I be tested then or will I have time before being tested
January 12th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
I smoked a cigarette that was dipped in cocaine 2 weeks ago by accident and I was wondering how long it will be in my system. I have a drug test with my recruiter today and I don’t go up to meps til next Thursday. How worried should I be since I smoked it and smoking drugs put them in your system longer
January 12th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Imail never smoke.but I smoked Dec 26,27 n jan 2…I was drug tested at my unit Saturday…will I pass? I took a home test yesterday and passed
January 13th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Thats bullshit. I know a guy who stopped smoking weed for three months because he he was scared the courts would drug test him. This guy smoked about as much weed as one could. Literally 10 blunts a day(he was a grower). A friend had asked him to piss in a cup for him for work and he did. 3 months later his piss tested positive for THC. I also heard it can stay in your system for up to a month. Be careful, I swear this is a true story.
January 25th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
You guys all need to chill out and learn how to spell.
Half of my command smokes this shit on a DAILY basis. We’ve all been on the UA list multiple times over the last year and NO ONE has popped. NO ONE.
Also, for all of you sea lawyers that keep saying drugs get you an Article 134, you’re retarded. It’s Article 112a.
The reason they charge folks with Article 92 is because these substances aren’t illegal. Just don’t get caught actually smoking it, or with it on your person, and you’ll be fine.
Happy Smoking!
February 6th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
We can argue here all day about is this tested for isn’t it, what is it, bottom line is, if you intake an illegal substance into your body and your in the military (like myself) you take a risk. So stop” shitting bricks” if you gonna do it be smart about it. I’ve smoked spice and got tested the next day about a month ago and no positive, while another pvt poped hot for greens.
February 10th, 2011 at 6:21 am
Okay so, i’m going to see my recruiter soon and I was wondering how many days after seeing recruiter you go to meps. Because I am planning on going 30 days after I smoked MJ. Should i wait longer?…I used the online calculators and it said since i’ve only smoked once in 2 months it would take 20 days to get to below 15nh/ml cuttoff level the military has. If you’ve only smoked once, it takes 53 days to get back to 0 nh/ml. So i figure i see the recruiter on day 30…then go to meps on day 40 and i’ll be home free. “how long from the time you see recruiter do you go to meps”?
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
I smoked half a blunt forthe 1st time in 6months on the 19th my test is on the 24th and i have been drinkin a ltr of water a day water pills and green tea w/ vinegar chips and fish(protein),what do u think my chances are on thursday morning the 24th? Answer quickly is appreciated.
February 23rd, 2011 at 5:07 pm
The AF began testing for synthetic cannabinoids 22 Feb 11. Does that mean everyone tested after 22 Feb will be tested, or does that mean every sample at the lab as of 22 Feb will be tested? Here is the article: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123243663
February 27th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Wonder when the army will pick this up
February 28th, 2011 at 12:37 am
How long does it take to get da ua result?
February 28th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
What are they going to test for? The 5 known Spice chemicals? There are second and third generation stuff out now that does not contain any of the band chemicals.
February 28th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
That is true MilBrat, but I dont know how far ahead they are thinking.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Would the AF test for things that are legal in 49 states? Or just the ones that are band? Companies are changing the chemical make up of Spice all the time. There is no way they would be able to keep up. Doesn’t seem right.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
I hope you are right, I am sure we will find out soon.
March 1st, 2011 at 3:25 am
How long does it take to get da ua result it’s been 3 weeks am I good? after I got tested at da company I went n bought myself a home testin kit n passed am I good?
March 1st, 2011 at 8:39 am
Alaska airborne…you are fine. UAs come back in 1 week. Someone who knows about this AF spice testing please speak up.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:47 am
Thnx milbrat for da reply
March 2nd, 2011 at 12:02 pm
MilBrat, how do you know it only takes a week??? I can’t find that info anywhere. AFI 44-120 only says positive results will be reported on an average of 6 days upon arrival at the drug testing facility
March 2nd, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Just took the urine test today at MEPS after 2 months clean from pot, I passes the icup urine test at the recruiting office what do you guys think of me passing?
March 2nd, 2011 at 4:27 pm
*passed not passes
March 2nd, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Has anyone in the air force had this test yet? Is it being briefed during the urinalysis briefing? I am curious if they made the decision to test 100% of airman, or if it is like the test for steroids in the army where the must be probable cause.
March 2nd, 2011 at 7:07 pm
MilBrat:
There are 5 common compounds of spice, all 5 of which have become illegal. These are the only known compounds that they actually have a test for.
They would have to develop a test for every single different compound and how that compound is metabolized in your body. Couldn’t be too cheap if you ask me. Considering they can’t even decide on a budget, there is no money, we are about to go to war with Lybia, N. Korea is talking shit again, and soldiers are dying in allies airports you would think, at the minimum HOPE that senior leadership would begin focusing on what truly is a problem as opposed to what people do in their spare time. I’m sure if you compare the number of people that have been busted for “spice” as opposed to the number who have been busted for a DUI/DWI/Domestic disturbance or any alcohol related incident they might find spice is not the relevant cause of mishaps within the military. I’ve never smoked the shit before, and i do not drink. It just pisses me off to see people getting in trouble for smoking herbal blends when people are out beating wives and killing innocent families behind the wheel of a car.
March 3rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Well said It is what it is!
March 7th, 2011 at 11:42 am
I have heard the Army is now testing for spice. It has only been hearsay so no credible sources. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Thanks for all the help.
March 8th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Im going into MEPS here pretty quick for the Army. I took one hit of spice about a week ago. I just wanted to do something stupid before I graduate. I have always been against drugs. My Grandfather told me something that has opened my eyes: “If you wouldn’t do something in front of your mother, then you shouldn’t do it at all” (besides sex anyway) It was a pretty stupid decision, and I know that it can only be tested for three days, but I feel guilty. I’ll never do it again because I want to set the example for people and soldiers. The soldiers who are talking on this sight about getting off it quick is a really smart decision. No one is invincible and eventually you will get caught. It’s not worth a dishonorable discharge. This is my opinion, and if somebody could shed some light on “Army Guy” that would be great. Thanks.
March 8th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Its all a scare. They read these posts to poll how many actually do it. You bite and they get results. Thats how they decide on a budget. And one more thing. They will tell you the sky is red or the grass is blue. Bottom line, they cant fuck with you on the legal shit. Enjoy. I know and im fighting back.
March 9th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
http://www.stripes.com/news/air-force-says-it-has-no-random-test-for-spice-drug-1.136585 <– check this link out.
March 9th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Told ya. Its all scare tactics. Jwh-018 is the only of a series of jwh being examined now. Hu-210 and one more (cp-something, never messed with it). The military has no idea what they are getting into. They have been for years pushing legistration on salvia and spice itself. Not knowing what it really is. But for those of u not knowing what u are doing. Synthetic canabinoids are not natural and their long term effects are still unknown. Be careful. Partake at own risk.
March 10th, 2011 at 1:51 am
I’m in the Air National Guard. I was drug tested 4 weeks ago. Would I know by now if I failed the drug test? Or will they wait to tell me next drill?
March 10th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
I love the freedom of information…great find army guy 420…confirmed what I suspected
March 13th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
That great info comes from the AFtimes, 99% of the mag is propaganda. NOT TO BE TRUSTED.
March 17th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
hey i can answer all these problems about spice just dont do it. Then all your questions will be answered.
March 17th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Do they test your hair?
March 21st, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Oh my god my country is being defended by a bunch of stoners who are more paranoid abuot their piss than they are about their borders. What happened to “Just say No”? I swear you would raise the white flag to your enemies if they passed you some herb. Quit now before your staff seargeants fire you. Please, do it for your country.
March 21st, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Hello all,
I think this has gotten a little out of hand with the rude behavior and what not. To answer some questions:
No, the navy does not test hair samples. do you really think we have enough money for that?!
Yes, there is testing for the Navy atleast for spice. I cant say whether it is random or not but THERE IS A TEST. 100%.
For the people joining the military-just try and stay away from everything! I have been in a bit and I have never done anything other than drink. Although I do have many friends smoking spice. I have watched them and it is ridiculous. My friend smoked everyday and one night he smoked so much he thought if he walked in front of a car his body high was so good he wouldn’t be able to feel it hit him He died 1 hour later.
We are all adults here. Make smart choices. I’m not saying don’t try it but if you do and get caught I bet your going to feel a little dumb when your getting separated after reading all of these posts…
Oh, and just an FYI if you have not heard-SPICE IS ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE NOW!!!!!!
March 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 pm
My Navy command is doing a command wide spice sweep all this week. Not worth it. They are actively testing for it now.
March 26th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
We can go to war and kill and die and our entire government is in a situation of potentially crushing debt, yet military leaders feel that this is their top priority.
Obviously in the short term we need to be careful in lieu of recent developments. We must stay in communication as the situation evolves so that no more lives/careers are ruined
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April 4th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Spice is so so so so so so bad for you. If you want to get high, or feel good, find alternatives. Pot is illegal, but it’s not nearly as dangerous. Risking your career is a lot less important than risking your life.
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April 6th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
actually spice is punishable under ucmj for army personel
April 10th, 2011 at 10:45 am
sebastian35,
No you didnt. Come to terms with the fact your a liar on an online forum. Keep in mind, lying about how much you are paid when military pay scales are public knowledge is pretty gay. And yes, before you go on about your “Special Duty Pay,” those are public knowledge as well. You dont make a penny over $125,000 at the very furthest edge of believeablity. And thats in a combat zone the entire year……which you dont do. So stop lying about being a SEAL and stop lying about how much you are paid.
April 11th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
THank you RD for saying it.
@sebastian35: you are retarded.
Further, I would like to mention that if ANYONE joins ANY branch of the military for the “high” pay, then they too are retarded.
April 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 am
Oh for Christ sakes If you like to get high ,STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE MILITARY. there’s other things you can do to make MORE or the same amount of money as a civilian. The Military is not for EVERYBODY.
April 22nd, 2011 at 6:11 am
sebastian35 IS THE BIGGEST LYING RECTUM IN THE CONTINENTAL U S
you said you make $125,000 a year????
your FULL OF SHIT
you must mean $25,000 a year any idiot with a G E D can make more than that in the civilian world, and not have to piss in a cup or dodge AK bullets and IED’s
April 23rd, 2011 at 12:22 am
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April 24th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
i’m in the army. i’m stationed over seas. i’d say over half my company smokes spice, thats including several NCO’s. i left for leave in the states at the end of march. i returned a few days ago. upon my return the post was plastered with spice awareness posters. these posters stated that the army can now test for it and that you will go to jail if found using it. my unit test on the reg and all the spice smokers never test positive. with all of this new propaganda about testing of it and punishment, soldier are still smoking. i dont think soldiers will stop smoking until someone actually pops hot…which has not happened yet. we shall see.
April 24th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Yea, so for all of you complainers about military…if you’re in and you hate it, do your contract time and get the hell out. If you like it regardless of pay, good for you. If you hate it and love the pay…better be prepared to play the game. Because believe it or not, I’m not crazy about military life, but the pay is great and i got a great foundation set up for when I get out to work as a civilian making good money. In fact as of right now I may do the 20+. I mean shit, I’m already half way there. And if you think that all that military is is dodging grenades, bullets and IED’s you’re an idiot. Paperwork, food, planes, guns and trucks don’t all just pop out of a box and last forever. There is a shit ton of other stuff to do. And hats off to the ones that have the balls to take a bullet for this country even if it’s not in it’s best shape right now!
So if you’re in need of weed or anything else while you’re in the military, get your crap together. Is it really all that worth it? Probably not…and if you think it is, then you shouldn’t even think about joining.
April 28th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
I’m an Army medic. The truth is, there is a test for spice. It’s illegal in the military. No one should be doing it period. It’s expensive, so the commander has to ask for the test. Being that I work in the Aid Station, and am very nearby the commander most of the time, I’ve become very familiar with how all this works, and the process in which the army goes through to kick people out for drugs. So, a private’s roommate snitched on him the other day to the commander, because he was tired of being around the smoke, and he didn’t want to get in trouble. The test was done, and the drug was found. He’s not getting kicked out, but he went from PFC to PVT, is on extra duty, and has lost respect from most of his superiors.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
while I am not vouching for sebastian, it IS possible to make that money in a year and more. There are incentive programs for different career fields across the branches…not only that you have to consider hostile environments that folks are deployed to and/or missions involved. While this is NOT the norm for the average military member…it is possible.
Steroid tests have been documented and as being more expensive and really not a high priority of busts for commanders. Your run of the mill narcotics are a higher threat (perceived or otherwise) for mission effectiveness…so when urinalysis comes around, thats what they will test for normally. As stated above, commanders must direct specific tests be run that are outside the normal scope of urinalysis testing. If they do, they may have an inside scoop on something…it wont be “random”.
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May 11th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
i went to the navy in 04. i was nervous n wasn’t ready to go at the time so i smoked, b/c my recruiter told me ii had to leave n couldn’t wait. so i smoked thc. and now i want to go. is there any way to go back to the navy after testing positive for thc on ur p3 day? they told me i could but now recruiters are saying no. well, why would they have us sit in a brief to tell us that then? i need some answers.. please help
May 13th, 2011 at 12:56 am
I know someone that passed meps in april of this yea, and they smoked joint after joint of a spice like product. It contains none of the jwh’s. I don’t smoke the stuff, not sure what the long term effects are. But still, he smoked on the way to his recruiters the day of Meps, and still passed. anyones take on that?
May 14th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
For all the Navy folks out there, any Navy personel convicted of using spice will have an auto-matic discharge from servise. They really live up to their “ZERO” tolerance policy.
May 17th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
where i come from people smoke REAL pot. I have some concern over something i heard maybe some of yall got some advice (hold the bullshit.. thanks) i heard they can test hair strands and look at what all you have done the last 5 years? the only way to stop it is to cut your hair off… but i’m female id miss my hair.. is it true? about hair testing?
May 25th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Its true about the hair testing. Basically anything you’ve done in the time that that hair has been growing can be tested for. Even shaving your head wouldn’t help because ANY hair can be used.
May 30th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
im getting chapter 5-17 do the drug test you in a phase 1 phase 2 physical or do they just check to make sure you are healthy?
June 7th, 2011 at 1:45 am
I’m about to lifeguard at an airforce base. I was wondering since I’m not actually in the military if they will pop random drug tests on me? I have no problem passing the initial one, but I would also like to start smoking again after that.
June 8th, 2011 at 12:26 am
I have a question..I’v been reading all your post’s for over an hour..my boyfriend quit smoking weed for about 4 months and now he’s smoking “spice”..he’s joined the USMC and leaves for bc in January..I know nothing about this “spice” thing but he says its legall and better than MJ..is this true? Can Marines smoke “spice” and STILL be in the corps??? How dangerous is this drug??? When we smoke it, my tongue goes numb so Iv stopped smoking it but he still smokes it everyday..please be nice to me lol I’m not a dude HAhahaha just a girl with lots of questions
thanks u guys!!!! Xoxo…oh…and p.s. do Marines really make more money than any other branch?
June 8th, 2011 at 3:17 am
Well.. I can’t say I know everything of course.. But I do know they make spice with out JWH, HU, WIN, CP… Which are all specific chemicals that were in most brands of “spice” but were banned at least in Texas, as of Jan. 2011. Now, my husband is in the military.. And he doesn’t smoke the stuff.. But being a civilian wife, I do.. Now I realize I can get my husband in trouble. So no one but him knows I do it.. But My husband did smoke it a couple times before leaving for basic and did not drop dirty. However.. He is very thin, maybe that had something to do with it idk because he left for basic march of 2010 and the “spice” still had the more harsh chemicals in it. But since he has been in he has been clean.. So I’m not sure if it would pop on anyone’s piss test. Non that I have heard of so far.. But he is in the air force and it seems from other posts maybe the navy is having more problems with it? Idk.
@saidacakes I wouldn’t be too worried about his piss test.. But idk if it’s better then MJ lol personal opinion think. And no it’s not okay for him to be open about his smoking habits especially to NCO’s and above. Lol however I know some guys that work with my husband smoke it but have not failed a drop for it yet. But again, he is air force,not marines..they all do things differently, and as far as pay goes, as far as I know.. Not that I’m very educated about the financial of each branch, but I believe it only has to do with one’s rank and possibly their job, I’m not sure about the job but I think that some jobs make more then others even if their rank is the same? But like I said I’m not a 100% on that one.. Maybe someone else could help us with that one? Lol and as far as different branches.. I wouldn’t be surprised if they differ a little bit, however idk. But im sure it’s not enough of a difference to say that any branch makes the most. But if you and your boyfriend are thinking about marriage, he will make almost double if he is married! My husband is only a e-3 but I also have a full time job, he and I are are well off. We never have financial problems. Just trying to help. Oh and i have read some things online ( but you can’t believe everything you read) that “spice” is terribly bad for your body.
June 8th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Thank you so much for the info @Blahblah lol….i’ll make sure to let my boyfriend know this…he thinks he knows it all…lol
June 13th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
well honestly i fucked up i smoked some new k2 but it siad on label does not contain that jwh crap or hu shit so honestly idk wtf i was smoken was some kinda of new spice anyway i leave for usmc bootcamp in 2 weeks will it be gone? 180 6’1 very active and i plan on drinking 1 gallon nof water every day for next 2 weeks
June 21st, 2011 at 9:14 am
I am currently enrolled in ASAP (self referal) because i have an addiction to pain killers due to a shoulder injury i sustained from an IED. Been tryin hard to kick them but slipped up and popped a couple last nite and got hit with a 100% UA this morning. Question is, can i get UCMJ for popping hot if i am going through ASAP? Someone from JAG would be desirable to answer this question.
June 21st, 2011 at 5:17 pm
well i ship in 6 days no answer does anyone kno if i will be clean?
June 22nd, 2011 at 10:39 pm
I am on active duty and I can confirm that the Army tests for spice..I do not know how long it takes for the results to return, nor do I know how long it takes for one’s body to metabolize and evacuate the chemical metabolite…I do know, however, that soldiers have been caught on a UA and were discharged with a chapter 14 (General under honorable conditions)….The article number eludes me at the moment, but I believe it states that the soldier disobeyed a direct order, that being “Do not smoke spice..” While it is true that the test costs more, the Army is cracking down on it and therefore more commander’s are requesting it on 100%’ers…It may not happen during every random test just as not every time will everyone be tested..That being said, the best option is to just abstain unless one doesn’t care what happens to their career in which case they should probably ETS or don’t join in the first place..I am not a prude nor do I have anything against weed..I am merely stating that people need to think twice before they roll the dice…
June 22nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
my recruiter is gna piss test me tommorrow at 10am i smoked .5 grams (2 bowl packs) 2 days in a row 6 days ago before that i havent smoked in 6 months im 5’9 150lbs n have been running for the passed 5 days including tonight will i pass i have passed drug test 9 days after getting blazing out of my mind so maybe i have a good chance right?
June 24th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
dude you will be fine if u smoked spice weed may b idk how far u ran u have a good chance of passing and if u get caught they just wait till it comes out of your system and send u down thier when it’s out DON’T WORRY happen to a friend of mine.
June 24th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Well i just got back from meps i leave on sunday get tested on tuesday 28 june at UCMC bootcamp and i hope i pass my piss test says spice will be out in 72 hrs so i have not smoked in like 13 days should be long gone by now right……
June 24th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
I goto bootcamp july 11th and I have been smoking spice everyday up until a week ago. will I pass my piss test?
June 24th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
fucked up and goin to usmc yea yall will be fine i have done alot of research on weed and spice spice is different its not stored in the fat its in the blood and builds up in the liver and is pass very quickly most often less that 60 hours after your last toke i canceled my appointment so i could buy some time i am now getting pissed on monday which it will have then been 10 days since i smoked i am extremly confident n i will let yall know if im clean
June 24th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
oh n ive been running at least 2 miles a day not to mention wieght lifting and long walks
June 25th, 2011 at 3:34 am
Spice, as of May 1st, 2011:
Guard soldiers not under Title 10 appear to be excluded… but other branches shouldn’t worry unless CID is breathing heavy. Rumors it has become a 5th “switch test” seem unfounded as of the publishing of the source. document. I know myself and others in my platoon who have used and tested clean multiple times, including an officer. There are countless forms of synthetics… very “designer drugesque”
source (a simple Google search – arng because that is my branch)
http://www.google.com/gwt/x?q=Army+national+guard+spice+may+2011&ei=fJsFTpCPFeTGsAfr3coH&hl=en&source=m&u=http://acsap.army.mil/drug_testing/Spice_Ban_and_Testing.pdf
June 25th, 2011 at 10:25 am
sketched thats you no one could give me a valid answer. i also did research and found it out 2 guesss i’m just nervious now hope i don’t see god at the moument of truth and i also work our every day and run about 2 miles. my test is in 2 days so i will not know if u passed but wat i did was drinkind a gallon of distilled water to make sure also i’m keep working out and hope for best
June 26th, 2011 at 9:32 am
I don’t know about all this spice stuff but a pretty close friend of mine in Florida leaves to usmc boot camp in 2 months and said he was going to do extacy one more time before he goes and is convinced he is going to be clean by the time he ships off ….personally I said don’t risk it but he is pretty certain about this ……anyone think after two months he will be clean?
June 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am
hell ya he will be cleaned if he stop smokeing at least 2 weeks before basic i leave 2 day and pray i will be clean if i am i’ll post it on here 1st day i’m back
June 26th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
ASAP Self referrals are protected by the limited use policy. However, if you pop hot post self referral then those results can be used against you in an administrative or ucmj proceeding.
I was a trial defense attorney in the army and counseled many Soldiers on hot UAs. I saw many litigation packets from tripler ftdtl and my observation was that 95% of those hots were for coke and weed.
However, all should beware- DOD will often do prevalence studies through AFMES or armed forces medical examiner to test the force for drugs not typically tested for at federal toxicology drug testing labs (tripler, great lakes, Meade, etc).
Everyone on here is obsessed with spice but the bigger threat, to DOD folks who matter, prescription meds are the bigger threat. Soon, DOD will begin testing for hydrocodone and benzos. This testing is to start late 2011 (for hydro) and early 2012 for about 5 different. Benzos ( Valium, Xanax, clonipin, Ativan, temazepam). They are on a witch hunt.
I can tell everyone that while I was a TDS counsel I advised alot of folks who became addicted to pain killers and when they ran out turned to something else to cope with withdrawals.
I always argued with commanders to give soldiers a chance at asap first. I realize this posses off non- drug using soldiers- which 98% are, but we spend millions on hiring all these asap folks yet they often just serve as admin hoops to AR 600-85 requirements.
For those who “hate” druggies in the military. Many soldiers are currently fully addicted to lawfully prescribed pain mess and anxiety meds. They may certainly be medically necessary but the final consequences of such prescribing will be borne by soldiers who will become addicts. Alot of Soldiers will get nailed when one day thy go for a random/ unit sweep UA and find out DOD is now trying for drugs never previously tested for.
A little history- during Vietnam as much as 50 plus % of the force wa using a controlled substance. DOD granted a one time amnesty around 1973 or so and offered to treat all who came forward and asked for help with zero consequences. DOD initially looked at drug abuse as a medical condition to treat rather than criminal behavior to punish. That changed when a group of folks pissed hot for mj after an aircraft carrier accident. Then they determined it was criminal conduct to be deterred and punished. Drug positive rates hovered near 11% for DOD force in 1985. After the DOD war on drugs started and all got tested and kicked out with OTHs or worse-often (and unfortunately still) with complete disregard for prior exemplary military service, military positive rates, almost overnight, dropped to around 1%.
Most folks these days join the military because there are not as many opportunities out of high school or college as there used to be. I guess vet since man had professional armies this was the case, but the US military gets near 50% of GDP along with Medicaid/care and then give a 5% of that to goat farmers in 3rd world countries who tell us where baddies are. I believe in serving the country but the choice has o be meaningful, at least to me. Thus, I believe in a draft since it would equalize DOD power with a civilian population that is mandated to serve. Being mandated to serve means you can still retain some individual freedoms or at least brass will have to think longer and harder before making personnel decisions that are currently made on a whim.
Some may say a volunteer force is the best. It is when the coffers are filled with tax payer monies but we are embarking on a new day where DOD cannot spend like it always been used to. Folks, our country faces a much more insidious and lethal enemy than middle eastern folks. Collapse of the dollar and fiscal irresponsibility will ruin us. Declare a draft, save money, government conforms more to us instead of us to them.
I was prior enlisted, went to college, served honorably in the guard for a few years, came on active duty after law school. Also did ROTC training, for two more years, in college while enlisted and then did the same officer training again and more a few years later. I’ve been in it for almost nine years. I know what’s up.
June 27th, 2011 at 7:59 am
I used Mj about 40 days before meps. My recruiter gave me a urine test befor i went. I failed the first one he insured id be fine to wait a few hours and he would give me another because he thought it could be a bad batch Of ua cups. Passed my second but meps urine test is a lot harder to pass. It has been few days im supposed to swear in on friday today its monday. will i know by the time i swear in or will it just be waiting and praying. I still havent used mj since and wont. I just plan on becoming a raging alchoholic since thats all that is allowed of me.
jk
June 27th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Look it’s much easier than that. I’m an Army officer. The secret is dilution. Army tests give you ample time to drink as much water as you can hold, do it! The army doesn’t normally teat for dilution and even if they do, the retest won’t be for sooner than 2 weeks. Drink as much water as you can, and don’t do any drugs for 3 weeks after a test and you’ll be fine.
June 27th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
I should add I mean drink a lot. Keep saying you can’t pee yet, and put down water till you can’t hold anymore.
June 28th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Can some. One help me my brother brother is in the coast guard and he took a drug test and he came positive for cocaine but he took a drug test at two different doctors office and he was negative and he did the hair sample test
Now what I’m thonking os spme one set him up. Cause every drug test he took was negative and I don’t undwr stand. Why wpuld some one do this to my brpther please so one tell me what should he do
June 29th, 2011 at 12:04 am
cocaine only stays in your system for 2-6 days so he could have came up positive then been clean the next day when he went to see the docters anyway i smoked weed 9 days b4 my recruiter piss test me and i dilluted it with 3 16oz redbulls i passed but beware you will pee often and alot while having to fill out paper work now i go to meps tommorrow morning and my recruter told me to lie about having a hernia repair surgery there is a 3 inch scare bout 4 inches above my dick im going to tell them it was from a box cutter
June 29th, 2011 at 12:06 am
now if i pass the piss test at meps (11 days after smoking) and can manage to hide my big ass surgery scar then all of you guys can stop worrying lol i will let you know friday n give detailed info on meps
June 30th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
im currently in active duty serving at ft lee va…. just recently they came down with a test that will def be testing for spice…like others have said it will be the random drug that they test for ….also keep in mind the commander has discrection to test whomever and for whatever he wants and when he wants to do it….just sayin if ur gonna smoke spice get u a good 4 day and just burn on the first day …..and chill the rest …..its a 3 day drug in ur system its not like THC that sticks to ur fat cells ….just a chemical ….but the choice is URS!!
July 2nd, 2011 at 12:38 pm
How long before you know if you passed the MEPs test?
July 4th, 2011 at 8:23 am
you should get the results from ur recruiter within like 3 or 4 days if u came up hot on the UA (piss test)
July 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
my friend smoked spice out of a bowl that his girlfriend smoked two bowls of weed out of before.
Is smoking out of the pipe that may have some weed resin in it enough to make him pop?
he said he smoked spice the night before and he was tested the next morning.
It has been a week and he hasnt heard anything.
July 10th, 2011 at 10:23 am
so i go to meps tomorow to test i smoked some dro 3 days ago but have been flushing my system with water since then does any 1 know what the chances are of me pissing hot im 6’1″ 133 lbs ive pissed about a million times this weekend lol
July 11th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
So does anyone know where the 3 navy testing labs are and how long it takes the command to get the results back? No “I think” answers please.
July 11th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
I smoked like two hits june 4th, im 6’2″, lean body, high motabolism, and work out alot, im going to MEPS july 19th for my medical, should i be good??
July 12th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
I took a drug test for the army right before MEPS. I hadn’t done any drug or narcotic of any kind in about 3 months prior. I weigh 160 and I am 6’2″, so I knew my body was clean. However to make up for me not smoking pot I choose an alternative, “spice”. It was shortly after I submitted my urine test that it showed up positive for “other substance”(cocaine) so in short yes the military does test for spice.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:19 am
@Sky and @imtotallyfucked, you should be alright. I smoked up until the day before I went to MEPS and all I got was an interrogation in basic training. They pool them all together in groups of 12. So if the piss comes up positive then they interview the people in that group. All you have to do is deny and you will be alright. I had an officer pull me out of my flight and go over the times I’ve smoked ( i told my recruiter 5) and he kept saying he knew i smoked before MEPS. I just kept denying and stayed with my original story and he let me go about 45 minutes later. I never heard about it again. That was 8 years ago.
July 16th, 2011 at 3:22 am
Does the military drug test in the time frame between after going to MEPS and before shipping out to basic training, and if so how often?
July 17th, 2011 at 2:53 am
About mephedrone?
July 19th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
@Jon
Random every year for reg/active and every two years for reserves/guard and such unless your CO has reason to believe u need to be tested, then it can b when they say…
July 21st, 2011 at 1:17 am
Im on leave rite now and smoke weed only once.I did however had to take a pies test last nite at the police station for spice.one thing thi I took a home drug test the day before and came up clean. Am I good to go?
July 26th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
ive been in the army since 2000. been smoking , drinkin, shooting, snorting illegal and legal shit the whole time. the “KEY” to passing a drug test is just making sure you always piss in the morning before you report to work , and get that first morning piss out. and then just play “shy bladder” until you have drank a fuckin shit load of water. im saying gallon or more. dont be the first one to piss. just sit there all fuckin morning and drink, drink , drink , and drink. so by the time u cant hold your piss no more, u will piss out pure clear water. u must also jump up and down alot… to everyone else, it looks like ur trying to work up a piss, but what u are doing is stirring ur water in your bladder so all the drug metabolites or whatever u call them are evenly stirred in your stomach. and when u piss, use the middle of your stream.. dont put the first drops or the last drops in there. water is the only fuckin thing that works. its not flushing shit outta your system like some of these tards are saying, it is simple diluteing your specimen below the cut off !!! very simple…. drink a shit ton of water….stir… then piss and collect middle of stream.. ive been in 12 years and have takin 4-5 tests a year.. sometimes been high as fuck on heroin, coke, meth, weed, or other shit while taking the test !!! HAHAH! yo if the military switched to hair samples, i would be so FUCKED !! ahha but they r cheap bastards, i hate the fuckin army but i aint got no other skills !! and im a god damn e-6 . fuck it , im a shit bag i know.! good luck mother fucks !
July 26th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
i meant almost 12 years !
August 1st, 2011 at 9:52 am
I recruited for nearly 10 years and am retired. If you smoke marijuana – the only thing that will get you by is time. I purchased all the masks from GNC etc and none worked. The rule of thumb is 45 days from the day you smoked regardless of weight/body fat. Other prescription drugs are tested based on what they are derived from (opiates for example). Spice – treat it like marijuana and all will be good regardless of false positives. For those serving – yes, I remember the hash days and being 6′ and weighing 145 lbs…tons of water etc – but now they are directing tests to those that are pissing too clear. It is an alarm to them and you will be caught.
August 1st, 2011 at 9:55 am
Also – once you pass the initial urinalysis at MEPS there is not another until you are in training. When that test will come – no one knows. It is random for a reason.
August 1st, 2011 at 9:57 am
@Tracy – the reserve components test once a year at a minimum and it is 100%. Usually the day of the APFT or Annual Training if not both.
August 1st, 2011 at 10:01 am
Also – about a recruiter testing you…they may buy some cheap assed test, but MEPS is different. A recruiter has nothing to lose, you have at least a two year wait and a waiver that may still be turned down. I was taught that peoples lives are in your hands. I would rather wait than screw a poor guy/gal for the rest of their lives. Niacin, Golden Seal Root…done it all folks. The only real thing that works is time.
August 1st, 2011 at 10:10 am
One last note…I had to see the CO after PCS’ing to the states from Germany. A couple of guys got popped for hash there from my unit. CID (or whatever investigative name your branch has) will tell these lame asses to give them names and they will go easier on them. Common for these idiots to throw names out randomly (smoking partners) of those that have ETS’s or PCS’d. If you have not popped hot and have not been caught in possession – fight it tooth and nail. Admit nothing and deny everything. Get an attorney and yes – if it comes down to it, request courts martial. You will win! Further – if there is a place selling K2 or other drugs, especially on the “off limits” postings, they are being watched and everyone is being photographed as well as tags run on cars. Soldiers have been busted via these means.
August 2nd, 2011 at 12:59 pm
SImple solution to everything. If you are doing illegal drugs the military does not want you anyway!!!! So stop stressing and find another job!
August 3rd, 2011 at 2:02 am
so i got sworn in about 4 weeks ago 13 days after smoking weed like a dumbass meps piss test is a joke dillution will work but honestly if you cant stay clean for 30 days then your gna get busted eventually and its not that bad if you get busted b4 you go in one guy pissed hot n he had to wait 30 days thats all oh and you find out right there on the spot they stick a strip in and make you wait for the results as for the blood test any1 trying to hide anything serious like aids or herpes they will find out so dnt bother tryin to hid that to everyone else good luck dnt stress shit like i did it was really a piece of cake just a bunch of waiting really
August 9th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Heres a new type:
I went to bolivia and brought back some Mate De Coca….. I use it as a healthy alt to coffie and energy drinks. But I was told it has minute traces of coke in it? hence they use the leave in the manufacture of cocaine. So i am guessing this would show up on a test eh? how long would something like that take to get out of my system.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:37 am
What about this mephadrome or MMcat-4 shit? They sell it as plant food. I know what it does to you but would it pop you on a military drug test? and if so, after they did a G.C test on it, wouldnt it be a false positive since mephadrome isnt illegal? Basically I dont want answers from the internet, Iv read them, some say hey will pop you for amphetamines but it will be detetcted asa false positive. Some say it will pop you for cocaine, etc. Pretty much I want an answer from someone who has taken the drug (preferrably a recreational user)and also has taken a piss test (preferrably in the military).
August 14th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
There are like 30 alternatives other than spice that have the same effect that dont contain:
Tobacco, Chemical, JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-200, JWH-250, HU-210, CP47 and other synthetics or additives. (JWH-018,HU-210) Which the military now test for. Just google Legal Herbal blends.
Fuck what they!!! Id rather be calm n cool then a stressed out borderline mental case that run a muck in the military.
August 16th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
went to a party and ate food, didnt know that it was special. my friend was like “oh shit! did you eat those brownies?” and i was like hell yeah, those were really good bro. he was like, “bro those are special brownies” a week goes by, i try to sweat, drink water. i didnt have time to really sweat because of my job, but i did lay concrete for a friend and put down dirt for my dad. it was 7 days and i had to have a pee test. i didnt know what to do. i just acted cool and peed. texted my friend and told him, hes like “you will be fine, its only equal to 3 hits” but i read that every “hit” you take prolongs the time. i dont know anything about weed, but i can tell you everything about beer. im just feelin nervous about the whole shit storm im gonna be in. can anyone help me? im 5″9, 180 pounds last time the army wieghed me, active when i can be, im 21. what is going to happen to me? all the respect that i have worked so hard to earn after 2 years is gonna go away cuz they think im some “pot head” idk how to convince them otherwise, i never had an article 15, always a top soldier. 290 on my pt test. the army means so much to me, and i have given it everything, just to have it taken away from me by a dumbass friend i have. well he is no longer my friend as of now. idk guys, any help would be appreciated, i just want some peace of mind and maybe i can get some sleep tonight. thanks
August 17th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Hey jag read ur post and it was very informative. Thx for taking the time to write that. So the navy does not currently test for benzo’s?
August 17th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Saturday around 5pm smoked a little weed.
Saturday at like 10pm took 5 weak ass molly.
Pissed monday morning at 930am.
Am I fucked?
August 18th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
I smoked a joint a week before meps. I took a shitload of azos and drank slot of water along with 2 bottles of detox(one being 5 hour cover the day of piss test) I passed my own home drug test and the one they had at meps. Should I be alright after the lab test?
August 18th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
I’m 135lb and 5’6 and somewhat of a chronic smoker I hope that graph at the top is right and it only being detectable for their test up to 5 days
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:51 pm
I got pretty drunk on august 13 th with some buddies, one pulled out some cocaine I snorted one line when I was shut faced! Horrible decision I ship off to boot camp September 6th j get tested with in the first 72 hours of being there. Will I be clean I run 4 to 5 miles a day work out for 2 hours a day, I’m 5’10 weigh 158 I’m in pretty good shape I drink shut loads of water piss probably 10 times daily will I be good to pass? I heard the drug test at Paris island are pretty damn good! I’m scared I love te marines and have always dreamed of finally becoming one just 1 drunk mistake fucked me!! PlEAsE REsPOnd
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:44 pm
This is just for potheads..I went through ROTC getting tested 3 times each semester, so 6 times a year. I smoked every friday night. and would have UAs sometimes on tuesday mornings. Here is what you do. Go buy like 5-10 THc test strips on ebay for like $10. Then keep testing yourself and know how ur body is. I am pretty lean but I would fail my own drug test maybe the night before at like 1900 then chug water until like 2300 (im talking 1-2 gallons you will feel kinda sick) but then I would pass my home one. Then wake up at 0500 and start chugging water again. by 0630 when i pissed for them I pass. It’s risky but im no shitbag and now waiting on IRR. Weed is not a bad drug. I can do my job perfectly on weed, the same cannot be said for alcohol.
August 24th, 2011 at 2:12 am
dudes, remember to take creatine supplement from gnc at least 4 days prior to the test for the dilution technique. this will make ur piss pass the specific gravity (real urine particle concentration) as the metabolized form of creatine (creatinine) is what they look for to see if you diluted ur specimen. also, vitamin b2 to color ur piss nice and yellow.
August 24th, 2011 at 2:13 am
*specific gravity test
August 24th, 2011 at 9:04 am
What if I am taking niacin 500 my tablets I still have 2 more weeks of bootcamp till I take the test at Paris im clean for thc just not coc I did it august 13 th ship out September 6th will I passs I only did 1 line ?
August 28th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
I’ll share a story about an incident in iraq around february 2011 or so. Me and my battle boo had been getting spice sent downrange and smoking it. she was caught with it. they piss tested her 3 times in a matter of two day. all her test results came back negative and we had been smoking before the piss test. she finished her tour and was kicked out with an honorable.
August 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Kinda nervous, if ur really worried about it and ur being completely honest in ur post. tell ur unit what has happened before ur urinalysis comes up. they might make u take asap. typically if ur not a everyday smoker it will pass in 3 or 4 days. i’m not sure but i believe it comes up different in a piss test if u smoke or eat it. so if u smoked it don’t lie and say u ate it. like i said i’m not sure though. if they test u and u tell them it was an acciedent they will kick u out.
August 28th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Pollee in the marines
ur good to go. in urine after 3 days with most chemicals. cocaine being one of them. blood is 30 days i believe.
August 29th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Okay thanks bro I was just nervous cause I heard military drug test at boot camp are really good but it’s been over two and a half weeks and I’m good to go
August 29th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
im joining the army as a junior entry on the 11th september and im wondering if cannabis would could up as posteive i havent smoked it for about 20 week now and just a bit worried need to know when the drug test will be held when i go for phase 1 and replys would be appreciated
August 30th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Ur good for marijuana it only takes 2 weeks to clear ur system usually if ur in good shape
September 10th, 2011 at 3:03 am
It is real easy, if you want a good job then don’t smoke weed or do any illegal drugs. Most real jobs (military, OSHA or otherwise) that could put you in potentially dangerous situations (working with heavy equipment, a firefight etc.) require your full attention. I get it, “what about what I do on the weekends? That should be my business!” Its a small price to pay to pave the way to a retirement where you can grow your own ganja on some of your own land that you bought with your hard earned money that you made while working at a real job. Or don’t get a job with these requirements and live with your parents and be a douche bag. I can promise you will be the coolest 30 year old around when this time comes. Should weed be legal? Sure, why not? Is it though? No, obviously not. Is having nice shit great? Yes! Is growing up, putting on your big boy pants, becoming a responsible adult, getting a good job and not smoking weed because of said good job what successful people do? Abso-fuckin-lutely!! Leave the dumb shit alone and GROW THE FUCK UP!!
September 23rd, 2011 at 6:51 pm
The charts are a little off. First THC stay in your system on avg. about 12 days. It depends on your body size and how fast your body processes (metabolism). They have made a new test that pops for “spice,” however they have a challenge, because the legal drug “spice” is forever changing. I say if you have no other route in life besides the military, why risk it? Although you could go to a local smoke shop and buy drinks tht will clean you out, or for pot, go to walgreens and grab some cranberry pills to clean your urinary tract, a niacin pill every few days to clean you out, and drink alot of tea and cranberry juice. The tea will make you urinate a lot, and the cranberry will clean you in the process. Avoid drinking a ton of water, because a diluted piss test will pop on a test as well…
September 27th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
I can personally say the army can test for spice and the funny shit is they detected jwh but some cromium-something was the molecule they found as for if they do 100% negative not yet at least but the test cost about $1500 so its true the commander can only test you if they suspect or you have been caught using it be careful guys and happy smoking
On a side note as a person who’s been to iraq and afghan I’m a firm believer that iif we give our life who’s to say we can’t enjoy ours thank you for serving to all my brothers and sisers
October 6th, 2011 at 7:07 am
Has it been determined what synthetics the army tests for ?
October 7th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
So I’ve been taking this pre workout mix that has 1,3 dimethylamylamine . I’ve been using for awhile now, and it is an amphetamine. How long do I have to wait before meps? Does anyone have any advice? Thanks
October 13th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Soo my husbands Cpl, our friend, with a newborn baby, was stolen from by this.. Person.. In his unit. My husband made it known to this Cpl that he knew something without naming names or pointing fingers. The theif was charged and is scheduled for court Marshall. The theif then had his wife call company office and tell them about my husband as well as a coworker / roommate that smokes spice. My husband was dripped for it yesterday as well as read his rights. (I dont want to hear the stupid bullshit about how dumb it is.. I just want to know what were in for). He smoked the night before.. As well as consistently prior to all this happening. Most of his command is in support of my husband including Ssgt and pretty much all of his cpls. It doesn’t help the thief much that everyone hates him now, hates his wife, and is in complete favor of my husband and I. The spice we had claims no jwh018 or any of the banned chemicals. Can anyone advise me of what we’re in for? All I know is I’m scared shitless…
October 17th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Spice is an illegal substance. The DES has placed spice in schedule one based on an emergency order from the DEA director. The military automatically follows the DEA’s controlled substance list and commanders at almost all Army installations have promulgated policies that specifically prohibit spice and list it as a banned substance. However, it is also true that the kits used to test for spice in the the federal toxicology drug testing labs only can recognize certain chemical markers in all spice (as explained in above posts).
Currently spice testing is not conducted on urine samples sent in for regular testing to the labs. However, the Armed Forced Medical Examiners Office, which set policy and directives for all the services’ labs, often changes the testing schedule based in the needs of the force. AFME does not change the schedule often without some evidence gained through prevalence testing and anonymous self-reports that a drug poses an immediate threat to the readiness of the military. The reason for this is because it is expensive to change the drug testing panel. Each time they change the panel or test a drug more than the requisite 20% (I.e. oxycodone) they need to contract out more work for testing supplies. This is expensive and federal contracting takes times.
Right now a lot of you smoke spice and command seems to see this as the threat, but actually Army research and high level officials view prescription drugs as more of a threat. Namely hydrocodone and benzodiazepines.
No the Navy nor any branch test for benzos. However, that is supposed to change at early fiscal year 12- as in, you could go pee this AM and be told you’re urine will be tested for benzos. There are numerous different benzos but DOD decided on about 5 commonly prescribed ones to test for. Currently, spice is tested for either by a special drug test request to AFME office or CID can get a bio specimen from someone and send it in for spice testing to AFME as long as their is probable cause-and that’s not a hard legal standard to meet but even if it’s not met, law enforcement still don’t care. They get a lawyer to say there is probable cause, which most government hacks do, an then totally envelope the accused with a hard time.
Furthermore, testing should begin in a few months for hydrocodone- AKA Vicodin. Currently, the DOD test for opiates, heroin and oxycodone, but each opiate is different and requires different antigen testing kits to positively identify specific drugs in the urine. Right now the broad class of “opiates” is tested for but this class means naturally derived opiate products- which are raw opium, codeine, and morphine. Heroin is spotted by a specific metabolite in your urine that is the by-product of heroin breakdown in the kidneys. Lastly, oxycodone is tested for. This is a synthetic opiate and that is why it’s tested for by a different kit at the federal tox labs and also why it’s tested on a separate basis from opiates and at a different rate. (20% of urine is tested for oxycodone and opiates, but heroin is tested 100% of the time). So, DOD got smart and realized massive amounts of Servicemembers were using hydrocodone (Vicodin) which does not fall under any category of drugs currently tested for.in other words, you could take 20 Vicodins the day before a piss test and be told the test will look for opiates, heroin and oxycodone (all opiates of some version) and still test negative. A special test must be used on urine to ID hydrocodone use. Hydrocodone is a semi-synthetic opioid.
If you come up hot for Vicodin, codeine or morphine (not heroin) use a medical doctor, or the worthless Army PA, will get in contact with you and request medical records to either approve your drug hot or certify it as a real positive because all of the opiates tested for, save heroin, are legal when lawfully prescribed by an authorized health care professional for certain medical needs.
The same is true for benzos. My opinion is that benzos can really fuck someone up whereas opiates mess you up but do not make you act drunk as hell. Benzos are like a gallon of whiskey transformed into a pill. That’s how they made me feel.
For the lady who wanted to know what would happen if her hubby popped hot for spice. As I said before-I was a trial defense services attorney for awhile in Army JAG- and usually, if it’s E-4 and below, command will do a summary courts martial followed by ASAP command refer (which is an administrative necessity once you have a hot urine) and capped with a chapter 14-12c separation with a recommendation of general if the person deployed a couple times and otherwise had zero problems. If the person who popped is above an E-4 or who had prior conduct issues and is just generally not well-liked by command then they will likely have the same as I said above but the separation will recommend an OTH (other than honorable) which is really bad as it takes all your veteran benefits and entitlements away, causes severe prejudice in future job hunts, and pretty much totally bars you from ever working at the federal or even state level in government and possibly even local as well. Many prior service folks want a job in FBI or some law enforcement agency when they get our. If you get an OTH you can rest assured you won’t ever get a job like that. Maybe one with an OTH could be a local cop if enough time had passed and he/she has proves himself/herself worthy again.
That’s the breaks in the military, especially now after Afghanistan and Iraq are dying down and our country continues to spiral into bankruptcy. Even if you’re an E5 or above and everyone in your unit loves you, it won’t matter. Battalion and higher commanders make decisions about misconduct within their footprint regarding drug or alcohol abuse. They “withhold” authority over punishments at their level for certain offenses committed by certain people and they hammer drug and booze misconduct, especially drugs. Booze problems may get a person a second chance with ASAP help, but illegal drugs? No way. It happens very rarely that a Soldier gets second chances with drug misconduct in today’s world of scarce jobs and little opportunity in America as compared to what it used to be. Used to be people couldn’t wait to get out or when the Army offered them a chance to get out early they would jump on it. Now, serving is likely motivated 80-90% of the time purely by money and health benefits. Pretty sad to me. As a result the Army is able to severely punish people and kick them out for any infractions that used to just result in some smoke sessions. It’s pretty pathetic.
I’ve seen guys deploy 4+ times and have stellar careers but smoke 1 joint, piss hot and be crucified at their board hearings which almost always end up with the person getting a OTH. Also remember that the Post commander (often a 2 star) gets his policy directives from higher up and most are directed right now to find ways to get rid of Soldiers. It’s tragic IMO.
So, stay clean. Not only do you risk your Army career but your future as well. That DD214 follows you like you wouldn’t believe, especially for OTHs. Someday, I think the Army will regret punishing drug offenders so severely. The time will come when the force is needed again, and it’s funny how when it’s needed people with drug issues are let in immediately and then when they get in trouble are given a chance at recovery while keeping their jobs, but that’s the breaks I guess.
Good luck to you all!
October 19th, 2011 at 5:13 am
I took around 20mg of Klonopin in a week which is a benzo i leave for the bootcamp for the Marines in 30 days will i pass the drug test at MEPS? ive heard that klonopin stays in your system for a while, 30-60 days at the most and if thats the case then ill get my shipment date pushed back. Im not going to risk my military career on one stupid benzo binge that should have never happened.
October 20th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
took a test for mephedrone the day after using, came up clean
October 21st, 2011 at 3:04 pm
i have a question for anyone that might be able to help me. I was one hundred percent clean, had been for about 3-4 months, i took two small hits of weed and took a ua for the military exactly one week later. i ran and worked out all week except for about 40hr prior to the test.i drank lots of water prior to the test and my pee was a very very light yellow.Im pretty sure that small amount of weed would of been out of my system by then. Im 6’0 165, very small amount of fat. What do yall think?
October 25th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Okay so i leave for basic in 2weeks and i use to smoke weed a lot, iv been clean for over a month now but my friends convinced me to smoke spice with them cause they missed being high with me (im a funny stoner) now i read some of those post and i just recently smoked spice and im pretty fucking worried now.. i need to know facts on this, will spice show up in my system on a drug test that i take going to basic? please respond with facts not opinion, someone who actually knows.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
So Justin I think you will be fine in my opinion
And worried I’m very shore that stuff is only testable with in a few days of use don’t fret.
I do think they might test for it at meps. I know a guy who just got an article 15 from an AIT piss test but not a standard drug they test for on an active duty test. YET THAT IS ! DOESN’T MEAN THEY WONT EVER IMPLEMENT IT THOUGH !
I SAY IF YOU ARE GONNA DO THAT DO THE NON SYNTHETIC KIND!
October 31st, 2011 at 11:17 am
ok so i have MEPS coming up in about 3 weeks to a month and the last time i smoked was October 25th should i be clean within that time i am about 5’11 and weigh 162 and i workout everyday
November 1st, 2011 at 12:23 pm
So I used to smoke a lot. For about a year, maybe a little over a year. And I quit back in the beginning of September to enlist in the Marines. I also took a marijuana detox and have been exercising. However, I’ve taken two in-home drug tests that I purchased a CVS, one on September 27 and one on October 27, and it read positive on both. And here it says it can be read up to 3-5 days. Is that just a one time use, or is that the window that their test shows up for. I haven’t even talked to a recruiter yet, but that’s the reason I’ve been putting it off. I know there is nothing else I want to do so once I get in there, I’m just going to be like “where do I sign?” you know? Being a Marine is my dream and I will not let anything stand in my way. So I’m afraid once I say that, he can speed my MEPS date up to within a day or two and I’ll go and take a test. I don’t want to be positive and told that I can’t enlist now because I tested positive. So any information or advice would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to email me to get in touch directly or just comment back. chelseajessick@gmail.com
November 1st, 2011 at 1:15 pm
I’d also like to add, that my brother still does it. He likes to smoke in the car with me, but usually he drives and rolls down his window and the back window on the other side of the car to hopefully keep it from getting to me. This wouldn’t make it keep registering from past use would it? Like because I’d had past use and may inhale just a little from time to time in the car, it wouldn’t “top off” what’s already in there and make me fail a test, right? Email stated in previous comment ^^^
November 1st, 2011 at 6:20 pm
so, i just went to the army recruiting office today. im going to take a pee test in about 7 days. last time i smoked ganja was 3 days ago, so that would be 10 days without ganja before the test. im 5’7″ nd 145 pounds, im skinny and i work out. but for the past 2 months iv been smoking weed almost everyday! should i be good if i go to the sauna everyday, drink alota water and juice for this 7 days. what should i do?
November 7th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
do they drug test or any kind of testing of spice/k2 if your in the delayed entry program?
November 13th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
So here’s my thing. I stopped smoking in January. I’m 5’6 & 150. I have to be at MEPS for my shipoff on Nov 29 but I was at this party on Nov 4 and people were smoking. I mean I didn’t take a hit or anything in fact I tried to cover my mouth with a scarf and not to even inhale as much. Should I worry?
November 21st, 2011 at 11:59 pm
Alright, I’ve been in the marine corps about 1 year. I was a heavy user of weed and pills, specifically xanex and oxycontin as wells as roxys for about 2 years. I did them all almost everyday, several times a day.
I passed the Meps drug test and the bootcamp drug test with only stopping everything for 1 week.
Do not use any of those detox drinks, my boy used one because he smoked a bowl a week before a test and failed because they detected the detox drink. Those detox kits only work for at home tests and they don’t flush you out, they cover up what’s in your piss for a single piss. THC is still in your fat cells and will show up on the next piss.
I didn’t do anything but drink lots and lots of beer, I had more problems with the xanex showing up then I did weed at the at home tests.
If you smoke one time, it’s only in your system for 3 – 5 days. If you smoke occasionally, it’s in for 5 days to 2 weeks. These figures are based on an average male weight of about 160 pounds.
If you weigh 300 pounds, it can stay in for a month and a half. I only weighed 148 at 5’10 and it moved out of my body really quickly.
Spice is literally impossible to test for. There are so many different kinds that achieve a high in different ways. They can test for popular brands of spice like k2, that achieve a high the same way. But other brands are so chemically different that it’s like testing for weed and trying to pop somebody on meth, they just aren’t the same.
I haven’t smoked it in over a year though because it’s very bad for your brain. Long term use causes serious brain damage, almost as bad as crack.
Remember guys, ecstasy was legal for years before it was outlawed.. Legality doesn’t mean it’s safe.
On another note, this is coming from an ex junkie pill head who couldn’t go without using without puking, who’s snorted easily 120 grams of coke in my life time, dabbled in meth and even smoked crack one time…
It ain’t worth.. I miss the old days alot, I was making alot of money selling shit and had a blast partying every night but those days are just memories now.
Alcohol is legal, don’t drive drunk and have a good career. It’s not worth fucking up your life to relive the good old days, the military does not fuck around.
When you get out.. Roll up, get some mcdoubles and a movie.. But you fuck up now, your a grown ass man with shit to lose now.. Think about it.
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:28 pm
TELL ME THE GOOD NEWS, NO YOU CANNOT TEST POSITIVE FOR THC JUST BY BEING AROUND IT. THERE IS A STUDY OF THIS EXACT THING, WHERE THEY HAD PEOPLE IN A CONTROLLED ROOM, WHERE MARIJUANA SMOKE WAS BEING PIPED IN ON A REGULAR BASIS OVER I BELIEVE AN 8 HOUR PERIOD AND ONLY ONE OUT OF THE GROUP HAD ENOUGH THC DETECTABLE AT 2 ng. WHICH IS WAY BELOW MILITARY CUT OFFS ANYWAY.(15 ng)
November 23rd, 2011 at 7:39 pm
@Roger
This is a rather informative article, thank you very much. Just a follow up question; In reference to the pill usage, are there any reliable forms of detox, water flushing included? Thank you for your service, to our country and myself
November 24th, 2011 at 12:35 am
hey, i am a recent applicant to the armed forces, and i have a MEPS appt. on monday. it is now wednesday, and i have taken 16mgs of dilaudid, 8 on monday and 8 on tuesday, and i need to know if i should reschedule my appointment for monday in light of these f-ups. do i have even the slightest chance of passing with hard work/ any specific techniques? i cant wait to serve my country and further myself, but i dont want to be rejected even once to screw my chances to do so
November 27th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
I took two 5 mg hydrocodone on Saturday and had a ua on Tuesday. Pretty sure im clean. Any one have any thing to add. Im 6’4 and 240lbs.
November 28th, 2011 at 12:56 am
ok so i smoked weed at a college two weeks ago. I have a drug test in two days and im a little worried. Now i have taken two at home drug test and have passed both of them fine. The first was four nights ago and the second was a few mins ago. since i passed both should i be fine for the military test?
November 29th, 2011 at 2:25 am
Any updates on this military spice testing¿?
November 29th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
I leave for bootcamp next week and last time i smoked spice was 2 weeks ago will i be fine? Can they even test for spice at bootcamp?
November 29th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
If you smoked the spice with the writing on the front that says it doesn’t contain any jwh018 or any of the other chemicals, will you still test positive on a spice drug test?
November 30th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
depends on frenquency of use………..
The chart is right but doesn’t take into account the frequent user.
December 1st, 2011 at 6:48 pm
THIS IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE STARS AND STIPES. IT ADDRESSES TESTING FOR SPICE. NOTE THE DATE.
Army targets designer drugs, bans spice
By Joe Gould – Staff writer
Posted : Saturday Aug 27, 2011 7:54:33 EDT
The Army is ratcheting up its war on designer drugs, putting its seven-month-old ban on spice, a synthetic form of cannabis, into the service’s anti-drug regulations and issuing warnings about “bath salts,” the street name for the stimulant mephedrone.
Bath salts are “on our radar,” said Lt. Col. Shaun Bailey, chief of the Army’s drug testing branch. “It’s an emerging drug of concern to us and we’ve already blasted out [the message] that commanders need to be aware of it.”
Bailey said he hoped “very soon” to have the same prohibition against mephedrone as for spice.
Although Army regulations already contain a blanket ban on substances that cause “excitement, intoxication or stupefaction,” including designer drugs, the revision will explicitly ban synthetic cannabinoids alongside heroin, cocaine, marijuana and methamphetamines for Army, Guard and Reserve personnel.
Army Secretary John McHugh signed an order in February banning synthetic cannabinoids and ordering the revision to AR 600-85, the regulation governing the Army substance abuse program. The Army had issued warnings and banned spice piecemeal at a number of commands.
The change also codifies a move to have soldiers tested for spice at the request of Army Criminal Investigations Command, ongoing since March.
Les McFarling, director of the Army Substance Abuse Program, said the Army’s drug testing program is about protecting soldiers from harmful drugs.
“Soldiers think we have a drug testing program for testing and deterrence, and there is truth in that, but the larger part is protection,” McFarling said. “The drugs we’re talking about are not good for you. They’re dangerous, as are any of the other drugs that we test for.”
Dozens of manmade chemical compounds can be described as synthetic cannabinoids, so their effects on users are unpredictable, said Buddy Horne, Bailey’s deputy at the drug testing branch.
“When you have something with no quality control, no inspection processes, the majority of one batch can be sprayed with more concentration than another part,” Horne said. “Somebody’s making a product to sell, and they don’t care how toxic it is.”
Nevertheless, spice is not going to join cocaine, heroin, marijuana and methamphetamines in the standard, twice-annual drug tests many service members take because the tests have not been perfected, according to Col. Timothy Lyons, top forensic toxicology expert at the Armed Forces Medical Examiner System.
AFMES, a joint agency that performs medical investigations, has conducted individual spice urinalyses since March for each of the services, at the request of their individual criminal investigation agencies.
In the Army, 164 soldiers have tested positive for spice, of the 242 tested. In the other services, 113 of 183 sailors and Marines tested positive, and 45 of 86 airmen tested positive.
These positive rates emerged from a population already under investigation, Lyons said, and are not indicative of rates among service members.
Individual states began to ban spice in 2009, but the Drug Enforcement Agency did not outlaw it until March.
Because spice emerged only in recent years, too little is known about it to add it to the standard battery of drug tests for service members, Lyons said.
Scientists cannot tell from a urinalysis, for example, whether a person was exposed to secondhand smoke or intentionally smoked the drug, Lyons said.
“We don’t have a cutoff that is below what you get from a primary inhalation, and that’s a major obstacle,” Lyons said. “We don’t have any known studies. We don’t know what the cutoff should be.”
AFMES began to develop its tests for spice after the drug first appeared in Europe in 2008, and it is periodically “tweaking” its tests as it finds new compounds on the market, Lyons said. It has developed tests for five spice metabolites.
Because mephedrone is a single compound and less sophisticated, drug tests for it have been much easier to develop, Lyons said.
AFMES officials said it has been testing for mephedrone for several weeks, but only in special cases, such as air mishaps and crashes involving military vehicles.
Leaders of the Army substance abuse and testing programs said they are not proposing soldiers be tested regularly for spice because the technology is not mature.
“When you give someone a random drug test, we take the rights of the soldier very seriously,” Bailey said. “We don’t want to subject a soldier to a test unless it meets an absolute platinum standard of accuracy.”
December 13th, 2011 at 11:28 am
I think that you are doing people a disservice by informing them that THC stays in the body for 3-5 days.
A little more research would show that THC, being fat soluble, stays in the body around a month.
I just hope your info hasn’t screwed up some kid with the best of intentions (and who is willing to put up with the govt’s crap to get a chance to catch a bullet) who happens to smoke a little recreational pot.
December 16th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Will salvia show up on the drug test for the military?
December 21st, 2011 at 1:39 pm
They’ve recently changed the rule, in tbhe army at least, I’m not sure of other branches. If you test positive you will be absloutly void of being able to ennter. I was recently screwed on this. I smoked about 3 weeks before meps, I tested negative for two days before going to meps, my recruiter tested me and I was negative, I tested at meps and it came back positive, and a few days later they say the waiver period is done away with and I’m out for good…pretty fucked up
December 21st, 2011 at 2:41 pm
I lot of you are so worried about pissing dirty. The answer is to not do it. My son was popped and now he is on his way out without benefit ie; GI Bill and a loss of a great career in the service of his choice. Come on guys and girls think about the consequences and what you will lose.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:43 am
take it from a son who is on his way out now…..hes ashamed…and also probably twice as resiliant as when he joined because even if he(and myself) was stupid enough to get caught doing this..its not the end of our lives…im still gonna put myself through college..and try to have a job..i know my chances of getting a descent job are shot at this point considering ill have a disohonarble discharge on my record…but im still young…im still motivated..and in my time in i learned relentlessness can drive you to excellence..everyone makes a fucking mistake at some point…whther it be drugs, pregnancy, theft, lying..whatevr but sulking in the past wont ever help me from this point…go ahead anyone can call me a fucking idiot…but i did what i wanted to do when i joined..and thats protect this country…and to me…calling me an idiot after i protected you jus for calming my nerves for a few hours..well that…thats enough for me to say fuck you..and just like your opinion….mine will never change…………………………………….can take a life..but we cant take a hit??—thats fucked up to me
January 4th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
The best article on the web about drugs and the military can be found at:
http://marinecorpsbootcampsurvival.com/smoking-pot-and-joining-the-united-states-marine-corps.php
January 9th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Our daughter is in the air force and has been recently been called in for suspision of SPICE. She just had a stripe taken away today. Can you please tell me what will happen to her next? She has been depressed we know that and has with drawn from the family. I know she is in trouble as a MOM what do I do to help her any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Our daughter was called into the 1st Sargent’s office questioned and drug tested. I told her to tell the truth I didn’t want her to lie.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
so im joining the marines and i hit a bong a few times times last night but i havent smoked in a while before that and was clean and just got told i have to take a piss test in the morning im drinking alot of water do you think ill pass? i weight about 150 pounds 5 10ish and in good shape
January 11th, 2012 at 1:50 am
Wow you retard. Your going nowhere fast. You couldnt have waited one more day. Your fucked for sure haha. I have been in for a while. Thc amphedimines or however you spell that shit cocaine and opiates are the main drugs they test for every time. Everything else is a random pick like drawing a card with a drug name on it from a hat. Unless they are told to specifically test for a certain fourth drug you should be fine
January 11th, 2012 at 1:58 am
Lora….im sorry but thats the worst advice ever to give your daughter. Good intentions but she will be cast out like a lepor…….if the military has no physical evidence DENY DENY DENY…the use of spice. There is no drug test for spice. The only way you can get caught is in the act or possession. I really dont know why people smoke it in the first place….well I do…but still as long as she didnt get caught doing it shes fine. Unless she confesses. Then her career is over.
January 12th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Ok that thx thing can be accurate if the person is skinny like 100-125 because as u said if your fatter it takes longer. I kno I quit a week before a test n passed easily Jus by drinking water and quitting for a week…my friend quit 3 days n drank water and need..only weighs 115 passed also. Water and how much u urinate helps get rid of it to. Where as my friend who weights about 165 took him 3 weeks for it to be gone from his system..and as well as some of u said..if u smoke a lot it will obviously be a bit harder regardless of the weight of the person. On another non thc note yes they can test for spice now and have kicked people out for it..16 navy men were kicked out and multiple people in the army. Spice is becoming illegal because unlike marijuana it has killed people…n yes if u wondered I think weed should be legal and spice not we send to many people to jail over marijuana billions spent on a losing cause crippling our economy more..hopefully someone will realize this would make money.for our hurting country.and as for how I kno about them kicking people out for spice the news and from my friends in navy and army who had to quit once they found out…anyways hope some of this info helps ppl. Sorry its long
January 14th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
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January 15th, 2012 at 12:49 am
Do not worry if you haven’t smoked in two weeks you will be more than fine meps usees the same test your recruiter gives you and I passed. Five days after smoking and I passed that shit results vary depending on fat content and not really how much water you drink it only dilutes thc but how much you shit it is fat soluable. Remember your recruiter is your best friend he will not send you unless you are clean
January 15th, 2012 at 12:55 am
Sorry last note work out. Fast paced high intensity fat burning workout until two days before test working out reales thc from fat so eat healthy and get swoolen son and once your in don’t be a dumbass and try to smoke your better off giving up that lifestyle for one that you will never regret.
January 15th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I didn’t want my daughter to lie that is why I told her to tell the truth. The more I read lying keeps you in and telling the truth gets you kicked out doesn’t seem right??? I’m keeping my fingers crossed she will be given a 2nd chance I pray every day for her. As parents we only want the best for our kids and why on earth they would do such a thing makes no sense to me. As parents when they deploy we are left holding the bag lay awake at nights crying praying for their safe return. If any of you are thinking of doing DRUGS PLEASE don’t it kills your family not only your career!!!!! We are living thru HELL right now as a MOM I pray every day for ALL MILITARY so PROUD of ALL of you. There are people out there that would do anything for each and everyone of you PLEASE JUST ASK for HELP!!
January 15th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
All,
Been reading through this post for a good hour or so and decided to throw my two-cents in…
I was in the AF for 24 years and the last right were spent working in the personnel arena, specifically in promotions/demotions, separations/retirements and Article 15 and Court Martial (CM) processing.
I also acted as a 1st Sergeant for my unit for several months off and on to add to my experience in this arena.
I’ve lost count on how many Article 15/CM proceedings and bad conduct discharges that I have personally processed but there were a lot for illegal substances to include pot, coke, SPICE and it’s variants and taking prescription meds without a prescription or an expired prescription.
Any substance you use to purposefully ingest in order to alter your sobriety other than alcohol, to include drugs, inhalants, medications, etc, etc, etc is punishable under the UCMJ.
You will be prosecuted and separated and may also face military imprisonment.
What many do not realize is if you receive any type of discharge other than an “Honorable Discharge” or a “General Discharge Under Honorable Conditions” will negate and decline your VA benefits under US law, to include medical care, loans, programs and VA compensation payments. VA benefits are an earned privilege, not a right.
Risk management comes to mind here… If getting high is your priority, then do not blame anyone but yourself for the ramifications that follow.
The choice(s) are yours…
January 17th, 2012 at 3:59 am
Your a fuckin dick. Who cares if you smoke a little spice. If you can go out and get hammered why can’t i take a drag or two after I get home from work. It doesn’t affect me during work. I am great at what I do as long as it dosen’t get in the way of your responsibilites the military should butt the fuck out!
January 19th, 2012 at 2:42 am
What if the last time i smoked WEED was Dec 30 and smoked a lot of it. Dont smoke that much that was like one of the few times. Im 5’8 137 lbs and took a at home test passed but am stressed bc i go to MEPS soon pbly 1-2 weeks and am pretty nervous. please give me some advice
January 19th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Ok have a question, took about 2 maybe 3 hits from a spice “joint” sat nite. Haven’t touched anything besides alcohol for who knows long before that. What are the chances that pops up on a ua done wed afternoon? or even a spice specific one? Drank over a gallon of water tues & wed & had just gone about an hr b4 I had to submit my sample. Chugged a bunch of water to get another sample ready. Plus I had went a couple more times during the day before that. Thanks for any info.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:56 am
@ninja56 you’re good. This stuff is hard to test for nor is it tested for unless you are under suspicion. Plus its water soluable, it doesnt stay in your system long.
January 21st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Thanks anon hopefully you’re correct!
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Ninja, let us know if you hear anything mate.
January 24th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Wanted to let you all know that our daughter received her discharge papers today. We are hoping that with the GENERAL (UNDER HONORABLE) DISCHARGE she will be able to join the Army this is what she wants to do. She definately wants to be in the Military she has made the clear to us. Does anyone know if she will be able to join the ARMY and how soon that process will take place?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:35 am
first of all i want to thank each and every one of you for the service you have performed to protect me, my family, our country the great USA and all the other nations in which the US helps to protect.
about 6 years ago some douche bag drunk out of his mind creep tried to kill me with his 3/4 ton pick up truck. He almost broke my neck and has left me permanently injured. it was a gnarly accident and i must live with the nerve damage and pain almost everyday. that bum who caused the accident did a hit and run accident and evaded the cops for almost 2 weeks before they finally found the dude. you know what? HE GOT A MISDEMEANOR AND NO JAIL TIME! while i have a permanent injury and a stack of medical bills plus, post traumatic stress from the accident. essentially i’m bankrupt. but i feel blessed to be alive and blessed to be American. i feel blessed to have all of you serving your country and protecting me and my family.
the love of my life is the most honorable man i have ever known and he is in the airforce. he is a man of character,loyalty,trust and respect as well as a model military person serving his country as well as his 2 other brothers are airforce.
today he and i, we are thousands of miles apart and he just told me that tomorrow he must piss in a cup for a random drug test. he doesnt smoke weed but he went to a party last week and someone was puffin away. i have been crying and praying to the Lord all day i am so worried for him.
I do not know anyone and have never heard of anyone who has taken the life of another person or caused bodily harm to another person ,like that douche bag did to me in the drunk driving accident, because they smoked a joint. the worst thing i have heard from about a pot smoker is they eat everything in the fridge and then fall asleep on the couch holding the remote control!
there is no doubt when you serve your country the US government owns your ass and you must obey orders. But criminalization of marijuana is a prohibition that does not work at any level. until the legislation is passed to legalize it, it will be this way for all of you. i certainly do not feel any less safe by reading the posts on this site how you guys and your social lives and smokin’ a few joints to take the edge off of the stress of a military service…i know you are all capable, to perform your service and job seriously. but the US government wants to cut down military personnel. the gov wants to trim down soldier, marines and the navy to fewer people. that means there will be higher scrutiny on all military personnel and especially your conduct will come into question. you must take care or you will get booted out with no VA benefits or loans…it would be a sad way to end a career.
i am a civilian but i believe that marijane should be legal and regulated like alcohol. if you can learn how to kill to protect your country you should be able to roll up and fire up! you who agree should encourage your US sentors and congress representatives to make it legal!
January 28th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Afternoon everybody.
I go to MEPs this tuesday (31Jan2012) for the Marine Corps. On 15Jan2012 I was at a party in the Hamptons, completely shitfaced and ended up smoking a blunt with four other people. Prior to this incident, it had been almost a year since I was in contact with the stuff.
I am 5’11, 200 lbs and relatively physically active (run every other day, workout when not running). Should I push back my medical testing? Do you believe I will be clean? I’m drinking at least 150 fl. ounces of water a day.
January 30th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I quit smoking back in december and told my recruiter about it..he sent me to meps after 32 days and passing two of his piss tests and i came up positive still for thc. what the fuck. was trying for the marines. Anyone know of anything or anyway to get this changed or retest?
January 31st, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Hello i’m about 6’1 156 pds(male) skinny with a fast metabolism ive smoked about 7blunts 1 one day five the next day and 1 the following day(very stupid i no!) this month and have been clean since 01/24/2012 i’ve been eating healthy and drink alot of water and exercise every morning and night i go to MEPS for the navy the first full week of February (next week:/) do you think i have a chance??? before this happen the last time i smoked was 10/31/2011
January 31st, 2012 at 1:01 pm
so I think I am pretty much fucked, i got a surprised drug test and i smoked that same morning and the previos night..however, I only weight 140 and sweat alot, i also pee alot. the day i did a couple of thing that some suggersted i might be able to get away with it like putting a pubic hair in the cub and drop a couple of drops of chlorine in there.to that i also took like 5 detoux pill along with a 48 hour detoux drink and 2 cranberry water pills? do you guys think I am still fuckeed?? =/
January 31st, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Lora,
Your daughter will not be able join the Army. The Army is not accepting any prior service applicants with misconduct discharges, (i.e., positive urinalysis)
To those that say the recruiter’s test is the same as MEPS, you are sadly mistaken. The MEPS tests can pick up smaller concentrations, depending on what drug they are testing for. For example, MEPS threshold for positive THC is 50 ng, 15 ng. Most at home tests, THE SAME TYPE YOUR RECRUITER USES, don’t test that low. If you are using an at home kit, make sure you test your first piss of the day, right when you wake up. This will give you the most accurate reading.
If you are planning on joining the military, and are currently using, STOP! We don’t need users in our ranks. Alcohol is a big enough problem to deal with. I do not want some high junkie watching my back, or throwing his static line around my neck when I jump. Grow some balls and tell your buddies no thanks. If your excuse for using is because you were so drunk you didn’t know what you were doing, you’re full of it, or you’re an alcoholic, or both. We have enough alcoholics already, myself included;) Have some integrity and you’ll never have to worry about the piss test coming up or the one you just took.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:13 am
How soon after you smoke weed will it take to show up on a UA?
I know how long it stays in the system by being stored in the fat. But how soon /or how long do you have before it begins storing in the fat and it shows positive.
February 4th, 2012 at 11:56 am
If she gets the discharge changed from General (under Honorable conditions) will she be able to join the Army then? And if she does get it changed how long will this process take?